1881 Census Bath

[maesglasssclub]

Hi All, I need help, I have a Louisa Speck born 1875ish, but on the 1881 Census she is not living with any relatives that I know of, and is down as a (nurse child) any body have any idea what a Nurse child or child nurse could be.

Robert Purnell

[Janet H.]

Birth
Louisa Jane Speck born 4th quarter 1874 Bath Somerset.

On the BMD it says sub district Lansdown mothers maiden name COX

[Katarzyna]

I can see a Jane Speck a widow with 2 children older than Louise in Bath.

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=aWs744&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&db=uki1881&gss=angs-d&new=1&rank=1&gsln=speck&gsln_x=0&msrpn__ftp=Bath,%20Somerset,%20England&msrpn=1652411&MSAV=1&uidh=5u8&pcat=35&fh=0&h=18788585&recoff=&ml_rpos=1

If this is Louisa's mother it could be she was unable to look after the child and fostered her out for a fee (A nurse child).

[Katarzyna]

The 1881 census shows a sister Elizabeth born Reading
SPECK, ELIZABETH mmn COX
GRO Reference: 1871 D Quarter in READING Volume 02C Page 330 Occasional Copy: A

[maesglasssclub]

Thanks JanetH and Katarzyna, so a nurse child is some one who has been fostered out, or could it mean she is in a children's home ?
this is very important to me, this girl could be my Grandmother, she was always mysterious, age changed to suit the occasion, when she married in Bristol 1890s she gives her surname as Cox, but did not know her fathers name, I thought she is either lying so she could not be traced or she genuinely did not know, can you see her in any other Census, in 1911 she states she is a British Citizen from Marseille France, all very strange.

[Katarzyna]

This is her mother Jane on 1871 census I think the grandchildren named Shail are Jane's children. The James Shail could be the James Speck her son on 1881 census There's lots going on here methinks.Will be back after dinner and I expect some others here will have a look too.

1871 https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=try&h=8680230

[Elizabeth Herts]

The following needs further investigation:

Edwin Speck married Jane Shail Q1 1870 Highworth Wilts 5A 13

James Philip Shail married Jane Head or Jane Cox Q4 1865 Highworth Wilts 5A 25

[Elizabeth Herts]

Edwin Speck is in Northampton on the 1911 Census. He was in a boarding house. He is given as 72 a Boiler Maker and a widower. Army Pensioner born Swindon Wilts.

There is a baptism 7th January 1838 at Hannington Wiltshire to Thomas and Ann Speck.
He is with them on the 1851 Census (just given as E Speck).
Edwin died in Northampton in 1912.

His army records are on FMP. He suffered damage to his hearing.

[Elizabeth Herts]

James Philip Shail born Q4 1844 Swindon
baptised 17th August 1845 at Stratton St Margaret Wilts
Father Richard, labourer Mother Jane

Married Jane Cox on 24th December 1865 at Christ Church, Swindon
She was 18, he was 21.
His father was Richard a labourer.
Her father was James Cox a milkman.

[Elizabeth Herts]

There is a death for a James Shail aged 21 in Q3 1867 in the Highworth Reg. district of Wiltshire.

[Elizabeth Herts]

Sarah Ann Shaill, mother's maiden name Cox
born Q1 1866 in the Highworth reg. district
baptised 13th May 1866 at Christ Church, Swindon, father a Labourer.

Not found James yet.

[Elizabeth Herts]

Thanks JanetH and Katarzyna, so a nurse child is some one who has been fostered out, or could it mean she is in a children's home ?
this is very important to me, this girl could be my Grandmother, she was always mysterious, age changed to suit the occasion, when she married in Bristol 1890s she gives her surname as Cox, but did not know her fathers name, I thought she is either lying so she could not be traced or she genuinely did not know, can you see her in any other Census, in 1911 she states she is a British Citizen from Marseille France, all very strange.

Who did she marry?

[Elizabeth Herts]

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/60858/42886_1831109331_1061-00211?pid=902329044&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3Dgmj3547%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26gss%3Dangs-g%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26msT%3D1%26gsfn%3DElizabeth%26gsfn_x%3D0%26gsln%3DSpeck%26gsln_x%3D0%26msbdy%3D1871%26cp%3D0%26catbucket%3Drstp%26MSAV%3D1%26uidh%3D9p3%26pcat%3DROOT_CATEGORY%26h%3D902329044%26dbid%3D60858%26indiv%3D1%26ml_rpos%3D33&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=gmj3547&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true

This is Elizabeth Speck's marriage to Frederick Bartlett Glisson on 13th January 1890 at All Saints, Weston (Bath).
Her father is Edwin Speck Boiler Maker.
She was 18 and the groom 21. He was a tripe dealer.

It looks as though Jane Speck was a witness.

[Elaine]

Found the marriage to Edwin Speck

St Mark's, Swindon
Edwin batchelor 32 boiler maker Cromwell Street father Thomas Speck
Jane Shail wid 22 Cromwell Street father James Cox milk retailer
marriage witnesses Frances Cox x Miriam Cox x

[Elizabeth Herts]

GLISSON, FREDERICK THOMAS SPECK
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in BATH Volume 05C Page 612

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbc%2f1891%2f1934%2f0147&parentid=gbc%2f1891%2f0013374435

In 1891 Elizabeth is calling herself Bessie and Frederick is Fred. They are boarding.

[Elizabeth Herts]

GLISSON, FREDERICK THOMAS SPECK
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in BATH Volume 05C Page 612

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbc%2f1891%2f1934%2f0147&parentid=gbc%2f1891%2f0013374435

In 1891 Elizabeth is calling herself Bessie and Frederick is Fred. They are boarding.

Frederick Thomas died in Q3 1890.

[Katarzyna]

Not sure what to make of this:
In 1881 Jane is a widow.
but found this 1881 for Edwin Speck - boilermaker b Swindon, Wilts 1842 with wife Mary and MIL Elizabeth Beck

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=2235762

[Elizabeth Herts]

Thanks JanetH and Katarzyna, so a nurse child is some one who has been fostered out, or could it mean she is in a children's home ?
this is very important to me, this girl could be my Grandmother, she was always mysterious, age changed to suit the occasion, when she married in Bristol 1890s she gives her surname as Cox, but did not know her fathers name, I thought she is either lying so she could not be traced or she genuinely did not know, can you see her in any other Census, in 1911 she states she is a British Citizen from Marseille France, all very strange.

Edwin Speck was still alive at that time, so it looks like a bigamous marriage. This might explain the lies.

[Elizabeth Herts]

Kat, Edwin was alive in 1911 - see #8 above!

[Elizabeth Herts]

Perhaps there were two men called Edwin Speck? We need to be careful here!