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    I have tried everything I can think of to find this persons birth.

    Mary Ellen Connell born 16th September 1873 (info from 1939 register)

    Only info I have before her marriage is 1881

    Father Patrick born 1843 Manchester Lancashire
    Mother M born 1843 Manchester
    Mary Ellen born 1873 Manchester
    R L (son) born 1876 Manchester
    Ann daughter born 1880 Manchester.
    Class: RG11; Piece: 3979; Folio: 7; Page: 8; GSU roll: 1341950
    37 Jersey Street Manchester.

    This is the address on her marriage cert too, so I know I am on the right track. The other family listed are not connected, this live next door

    married James Ogley in Manchester 1892. On the marriage Patrick was a cotton waste dealer. I have all her details after this.

    I have contacted the Manchester Archives they cannot find her being born in Manchester.
    The Mary Ellen born in 1871 Wigan is not her, or the one in Stepney in 1873 or the one in Preston in 1874.
    I have checked these and none of them had a father Patrick.

    I know the family were Catholic and Irish

    Any help greatly appreciated, I am at a loss now


    Jan xx
    Last edited by Janet H.; 30-07-17, 14:32.

  • #2
    Have you tried different spellings for Connell? The Irish spelling of Connelly/Connolly might be worth a try for example. Connell sounds anglicised, and many Irish would anglicise their names to fit into Engish life more easily. Or perhaps she was actually born in Ireland? Again this often happened where an Irish birth was disguised as an English one, who was to find out, only future Genealogists!

    Janet

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    • #3
      Have you tried this one:


      CONNELL,*MARY* ELLEN**mmn TRICKET**

      GRO Reference:*1872 *S*Quarter in MANCHESTER *Volume*08D *Page*283

      Sometimes the year can be out but the actual birth date correct
      Kat

      My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012

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      • #4
        Free BMD has a Mary Connell born Manchester March 1873 Vol 8d Page 326, a few months out from your date on 1939 Reg, but is it possible the date in September that you have is a baptism date? Irish sometimes took their children back to Ireland for baptism and that was much more important than the birth!

        Janet
        Last edited by Janet; 30-07-17, 15:31.

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        • #5
          Or this one if she was a bit late in registering Dec qtr rather than Sept qtr
          CONNOLLY, MARY ELLEN mmn ISHERWOOD
          GRO Reference: 1875 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 215

          Birth dates given on the 1939 register have been found to be incorrect by lots of people.

          CONNELL, MARY mmn LIVESEY
          GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 326

          CONNOLLY, MARY ANN mmn BAWKIN
          GRO Reference: 1873 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 297
          Last edited by Katarzyna; 30-07-17, 15:36.
          Kat

          My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012

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          • #6
            Looking at the 1881 census and Ann born 1880. On the new GRO reg there is a Ann Connell Jun qtr 1880 mmn Brown.

            Also on FMP a marriage for Patrick Connell to Mary Ellen Brown Dec qtr 1872 Manchester.

            Not a lot of help as I can't find a birth for Mary Ellen 1873 with mmn Brown.
            Lin

            Searching Lowe, Everitt, Hurt and Dunns in Nottingham

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            • #7
              Hi Lyn
              The Patrick Connell to Mary Ellen Brown - I checked that marriage and he was 70 and a widow, so I discounted this one. :(

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              • #8
                Hi
                Kat
                The Trickett one she married a Daniel Connell
                Will go check the other ones you suggested now.
                thanks

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                • #9
                  Hi
                  Janet
                  Thanks for the suggestions, the Mary E in 1873 Manchester had a father Daniel :(

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                  • #10
                    Kat
                    Checked the Isherwood one, Elizabeth Isherwood to Alfred Connolly, so not this one either.

                    aaarghh

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                    • #11
                      nudging up in case anyone else can help.

                      Am beginning to think she was probably born in Ireland, which causes even more of a headache.

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                      • #12
                        Hi Janet

                        I did have another look for you but didn't get anywhere so didn't post.

                        I tried looking for R L Connell aged 5 on 1881 census. The only one I came up with was Richard Lawrence 1885 West Derby which I think is near Liverpool.

                        Couldn't find him on the new GRO to find a mmn.

                        Then I got stuck. Sorry
                        Lin

                        Searching Lowe, Everitt, Hurt and Dunns in Nottingham

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                        • #13
                          Hello Janet

                          Did look at this but couldn't see any likely birth for Mary Ellen

                          I did note the census with father Patrick, mother M is transcribed on Ancestry as belonging to the family above when he was in fact the Head, lodging with family below ie Rush. As a lodger the dobs may be incorrect so the mmn Brown (birth of Ann) may be a possibility. The marriage of Patrick and Mary Brown does record Patrick as an older man but Mary Brown is much younger, possibly not young enough however to have the last member of the family.

                          I note that on 2 census Mary Ellen gives her pob as Lancaster, Lancs.

                          Also there seems to be some connection between the Tigthe family as lodgers with Mary Ellen (wife of Kennedy) or lodging with Rush (wife of) but could be a coincidence.

                          Doing this from memory. Will re-check my jottings.

                          Vera
                          Last edited by vera2013; 05-08-17, 22:51.

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                          • #14
                            Just typed a reply and it told me my token had expired apparently. So just for info. The birth Lin put up is probably for a Richard Lawrence O 'Connell b 1st quarter 1876 West Derby and Toxteth mmn Garron
                            A Richard Lawrence Connell m Sarah Ann Bracegirdle in 1894 Manchester
                            There is a military record for a Richard Connell b Liverpool 1876 married to Sarah Ann Bracegirdle at St Joseph's Church. He was discharged medically unfit in 1917 destined for 102 Gunston Street, Oldham Road, Machester.
                            I haven't been able to link this Richard with a Mary Ellen or Ann with mmm Garron so far.

                            Vera
                            Last edited by vera2013; 06-08-17, 06:56.

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                            • #15
                              Could this be them in 1891 http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...try&h=22295712
                              Patrick Connor 47 Manchester
                              Ann Connor 40
                              Mary Ellen Connor 17
                              Richard Connor 15
                              Ann Connor 11
                              Sarah Connor 8

                              and 1901 Patrick's birthdate way out tho'

                              Patrick Connell 50 b Galway Ireland?????????
                              Sarah Connell 18 b Manchester
                              Margaret Fannon 34 ditto
                              Michael Fannon 4 ditto

                              CONNELL, SARAH mmn GANNON
                              GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 214

                              Gannon/Fannon????
                              Kat

                              My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012

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                              • #16
                                Possible???
                                Marriages Mar 1869
                                Gannon Ann Manchester 8d 615 <<<<<
                                GREEN John Manchester 8d 615
                                O'Connell Patrick Manchester 8d 615 <<<<<<
                                WHALEN Elizabeth Manchester 8d 615
                                Kat

                                My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012

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                                • #17
                                  And I don't now whether you have this one or not?
                                  Births Mar 1880 - Ann Connell - Salford 8d 95 - mmn Gannon
                                  Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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                                  • #18
                                    The only thing that bothers me is the address 37 Jersey Street Manchester given on Mary Ellen's marriage cert in 1892. In 1891 the address on that census for the Connors is 44 Little Newton street?????????
                                    The Joynson family are still there at No 39 Jersey but it's a Patrick Kenny a joiner, wife Ellen and son William b 1881 at No 37 in 1891
                                    Kat

                                    My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012

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                                    • #19
                                      37 Jersey Street - 1891
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                                      Kat

                                      My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012

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                                      • #20
                                        Is anyone thinking that Garron on Richard Lawrence O'Connell and Gannon on the 2 girls are the same person mis-transcribed!!

                                        How many times can people change their surnames on census and births etc?
                                        Lin

                                        Searching Lowe, Everitt, Hurt and Dunns in Nottingham

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