looking for registration of death of baby John between 1861 & Sep 1868

[Janet in Yorkshire]

In 1861 one month old baby John McDonough (daren't put his surname in the header, lol, I can hear the loud groans!) was in Newcastle upon Tyne with his parents Commons & Catherine.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8767/NBLRG9_3832_3833-0028?pid=12877285&backurl=http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DtyE726%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26gss%3Dangs-c%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26MS_AdvCB%3D1%26gsfn%3Dpatrick%26gsfn_x%3DNN%26gsln%3Dhogan%26gsln_x%3DNN%26mssng%3Dcatherine%26mssng_x%3D1%26mscng%3Dwilliam%26mscng_x%3D1%26MSAV%3D2%26MSV%3D0%26uidh%3Db78%26pcat%3D1861UKI%26h%3D12877285%26dbid%3D8767%26indiv%3D1%26ml_rpos%3D1&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=tyE726&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true

His birth was registered as McDonna (no forename) mmn Parker in Q1 1861.
His parents married in Middlesbrough on 10 Oct 1861 ( I have the cert.)
They had 3 children in Scotland:-
Mary (b1862) parents Commons McDonagh & Catherine Parkin, mar 18 May 1859 Middlesburgh
Thomas c 1864
Ann (b1866) parents Thomas McDonagh & Catherine Parker, mar Nov 1859, Middlesbro, England
and also JOHN (b 1868) parents Thomas McDonagh & Catherine Parker, mar 27 May 1860 Middlesbro.

The family were back in Northumberland by 1871.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/7619/NBLRG10_5123_5126-0102?pid=2077940&backurl=http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DtyE730%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26gss%3Dangs-c%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26MS_AdvCB%3D1%26gsfn%3Dpeter%26gsfn_x%3DNN%26gsln%3Dmcdonough%26gsln_x%3DNN%26msbdy%3D1870%26msbdy_x%3D1%26MSAV%3D2%26MSV%3D0%26uidh%3Db78%26pcat%3D1871UKI%26h%3D2077940%26dbid%3D7619%26indiv%3D1%26ml_rpos%3D2&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=tyE730&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true

I haven't managed to find the death registration for their first child John - can anyone help, please? I've looked on the GRO, freeBMD and also Scotlands people, to no avail, but suspect I've gone McDonough (& variants) blind.

Jay

[vera2013]

Have looked at Newcastle, Tynemouth, S Shields,
Teeside, Stockton but cant see anything.

Wonder why Catherine/Commons didn't name John when he was registered.

The only thing I can see on FMP Scotland RC Parish Burials

St Peter's Dalberth Cemetery, Glasgow - John McDonagh aged 3 1/2 buried 26 Nov 1864 Scarlet Fever but can't see a matching SP death

Vera

[Olde Crone Holden]

Veda

Some people were very superstitious about naming a baby before it had been baptised, particularly RCs. Other people didn't name a baby which wasn't expected to survive.

OC

[Olde Crone Holden]

....or if Veda isn't around, perhaps Vera is, lol! Sorry, it's stupid kindle predictive text.

OC

[Janet in Yorkshire]

Vera, thanks so much for that - I'm sure that that will be the burial of the little chap I'm looking for. Why oh why didn't I have the nouse to look at burials in Scotland as well as deaths?

Thanks OC, you could well be right. I haven't managed to find a baptism entry as yet, which has surprised me.

Jay

[vera2013]

Ha Ha sounds like someone from Star Wars. I'm constantly retyping because of that.

Maybe the christening didn't come first because parents not married.

Vera

[GallowayLass]

Am bamboozled now as I have tried every combo I can think of on ScotlandsPeople and not found him. I tried the whole of Scotland with Mac Mc O' and plain old Don* . There were a few possibles but none were him. Lastly I tried only the forename and death year 1864 in Govan as that's where the 1862 birth of Mary was registered but still no joy.
I can't positively identify the births of Thomas or Ann so couldn't try narrowing it down to other registration districts.
What's really puzzling me though is that I cannot bring up the burial entry that was found on FMP. I wondered if the full thing on SP might have had more detail. Even using all the tricks above, I get no results. I didn't know till it was posted above that Scotland's RC records were any where else other than SP.

[Janet in Yorkshire]

Ha Ha sounds like someone from Star Wars. I'm constantly retyping because of that.

Maybe the christening didn't come first because parents not married.

Vera

Well Commons/Thomas & Catherine are the ONLY pre-1880 couple in my Irish lot for whom I HAVE found a marriage I am thinking that all the other couples could have married in their RC church (and therefore in the eyes of God) but not before a registrar, so no civil record. Not all the relevant regional RC marriage registers (transcripts or images) are available online at present. It is very hit and miss, both by time spans and by parish.
I live in hope, for I cannot believe that NONE of my couples married - I would have thought that the parish priest would have been round the residences, constantly, "encouraging" couples to marry.

Jay

[Janet in Yorkshire]

GallowayLass, I don't have a birth registration for Thomas, but have the relevant images for the other 3 children - correct parent's names & their place of marriage.
I also did not know (until Vera's post) that some Scottish records were available on FMP. I suppose I'd never really had occasion to browse on that site, as I have no Scottish ancestry. For my Uncle and cousins I just used Scotlands People and found what I wanted quickly and easily.
Thank you for looking for me.
Jay

[vera2013]

Well Commons/Thomas & Catherine are the ONLY pre-1880 couple in my Irish lot for whom I HAVE found a marriage I am thinking that all the other couples could have married in their RC church (and therefore in the eyes of God) but not before a registrar, so no civil record. Not all the relevant regional RC marriage registers (transcripts or images) are available online at present. It is very hit and miss, both by time spans and by parish.
I live in hope, for I cannot believe that NONE of my couples married - I would have thought that the parish priest would have been round the residences, constantly, "encouraging" couples to marry.

Jay

Should have said not married at the time of birth registration

Vera

[Janet in Yorkshire]

I knew that was what you meant, Vera. At least they did get married - I've been quite shocked that I can't find marriages for so many other couples. Not shocked from a moral point of view, but from a religious stance. I've been looking through some of the Ireland RC parish bp registers, some of which were of a printed format, which included a "remarks" column. There is the very occasional comment "non conjunct:"

Jay

[vera2013]

I like to keep the record straight May and in respect to their memory. Clearly Fr Walsh wasn't around at the time. I think it's more likely the marriage records are not available yet.

Vera

[vera2013]

I like to keep the record straight Jay and in respect to their memory. Clearly Fr Walsh wasn't around at the time. I think it's more likely the marriage records are not available yet.

Vera

[vera2013]

Was in the middle of an edit 'Jay' when phone rang.

Vera