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    I am looking for any information on my gggg-grandfather, FENEBY FLIGHT (That is the name of the father on the daughters marriage certificate.His daughter PAMELA FLIGHT married HENRY CARTER, the marriage took place on 16 July 1848 at St John Evangelist in London. Feneby Flight was listed as a Bootmaker and resided at 24 Great Tufton Street. PAMELA could be the Pamela Jones Flight born 12-5-1822 in Rodborough to a Rachael Flight. Can anyone suggest where to search? for FENEBY or PAMELA JONES FLIGHT. Any replies would be appreciated.

  • #2
    Welcome to the forum cadilliac.
    Can you supply a bit more info from the marriage cert please? I cannot find a Great Tufton Street only a Tufton St in Westminster. Is St John Evangelist in Westminster as there are several in London. What ages did they give on the cert and the witnesses could be useful.
    Have you found any of them on the 1841 and 1851 censuses?
    Kat

    My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012

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    • #3
      The Pamela Flight baptism in Rodborough is an illegitimate birth - no father's name given - no Jones as middle name on the baptism image. Is Jones on the Marriage cert?

      Edit:
      Have just seen this but there is no image :
      Name: Pamela Jones Flight
      Gender: Female
      Baptism Date: 12 May 1822
      Baptism Place: Rodborough, Gloucester, England
      Mother: Rachael Flight
      FHL Film Number: 855706

      But this is the image:

      Last edited by Katarzyna; 31-03-17, 10:32.
      Kat

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      • #4


        The Parish Church of St John the Evangelist, transcribed as being in Smith Square
        County of Miiddlesex

        16th July 1848

        Henry Carter of full age bachelor Carpenter of 11 Page Street. Father Joseph occ ??

        Pamela Flight of full age spinster 24 Gt Tufton (not sure about that T) Street. Father Feneby Flight, Bootmaker

        both signed

        married after Superintendent Registrar's certificate.

        Witnesses James Jenner (possibly professional as he witnessed the following marriage)
        cannot read second witness

        Vera

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        • #5
          They don't appear on 1841 on either of those streets.
          Kat

          My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012

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          • #6
            These are the deaths for Pamela Carter

            CARTER, PAMELA 41
            GRO Reference: 1866 M Quarter in MITFORD Volume 04B Page 214 (Norfolk)

            CARTER, PAMELA 58
            GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in RICHMOND SURREY Volume 02A Page 221

            It's strange not to find her on a census as Pamela was not a popular name in the 1800's.

            There is this marriage if she remarried:

            Marriages Dec 1858
            Carter Pamila Harriet Greenwich 1d 810

            to either

            Thomas George Greenwich 1d 810
            or
            Williams William George Greenwich 1d 810


            As Cadilliac is from NZ perhaps these are the relatives that emigrated hence we cannot find them.
            Last edited by Katarzyna; 31-03-17, 15:30.
            Kat

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            • #7
              There is this possible on Ancestry if they went to Australia first but it isn't showing on FMP.

              Pamella Carter - Birth Year abt 1826 - Age 36 - Departure Date Apr 1862 - Departure Place Victoria, Australia - Destination
              Port Chalmers Nz - Ship ST JEAN - Ship's Master LESERGEANT F - Page 1
              Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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              • #8
                I'm now back with Ancestry Chrissie - just couldn't keep away - it was driving me crazy not being able to see the links!!!!
                Kat

                My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012

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                • #9
                  This is all I have to go on so far

                  CARTER, JAMES MMN FLIGHT
                  GRO Reference: 1852 S Quarter in ST. LUKE CHELSEA Volume 01A Page 137

                  CARTER, JOSEPH MMN FLIGHT
                  GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in ST. LUKE CHELSEA Volume 03 Page 90
                  Elaine

                  Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                  http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                  http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                  • #10
                    Forgot to check females!...just checked to 1852 at the mo

                    CARTER, ANN MMN FLIGHT
                    GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in ST. LUKE CHELSEA Volume 03 Page 58
                    Elaine

                    Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                    http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                    http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                    • #11
                      Found them on the passenger list when looking for James

                      Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839-1923
                      Name: James Carter
                      Estimated birth year: abt 1852
                      Age: Infant
                      Arrival Date: Dec 1852
                      Arrival Port: Melbourne and Port Phillip Bay, Australia
                      Departure Port: Deptford
                      Ship: Persian
                      Nationality: English

                      Elaine

                      Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                      http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                      http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                      • #12
                        Elaine, is Pamela with them? Haven't got worldwide Ancestry
                        Kat

                        My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012

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                        • #13
                          Yes, sorry

                          Henry 26 carpenter
                          Pamela 31
                          Ann 3
                          Joseph 1
                          James inf
                          Elaine

                          Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                          http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                          http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                          • #14
                            I just can't find 1851
                            Elaine

                            Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                            http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                            http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                            • #15
                              Me neither - even searching as a family without surname as last resort. Most odd. How long did the journey take in those days - perhaps they missed the census???
                              Kat

                              My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012

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                              • #16
                                James is born Sep q 1852 but am at a loss
                                Elaine

                                Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                                http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                                http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                                • #17
                                  Off to bed now Kat, see you all in the morning
                                  Elaine

                                  Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                                  http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                                  http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                                  • #18
                                    Hi to all and thank you to all as well, Looking at Pamela's wedding cert her new father-in-law was a wheelwright, really difficult to read names of witness could be James Jensson and a J H ??. their address look like 11 Page St and Great Tufton or Tafton. A Pamela Flight was a witness with Richard Henry Tucker Formerly of Maddox St to a marriage on 28 March 1840 at St George Hanover Square of Alexander Richard Flight (Book Binder) and Ezilabeth Tucker. On one of her children birth cert her place of birth was gloucestershire. Known children are James think he was born 1852 in Chelsea London, Henry born 21 Sept 1860 in Collingwood Victoria Australia, Annie born 1850 Brighton England?, Elizabeth born Victoria Australia in 1854, Mary born Dunedin New Zealand 1869 and a Joseph 4 in 1860. I know they lived in New Zealand , Henry Carter died in South Africa in 1902. In 1873/5 Henry was a member of the Wellington Parliament. Never found a death cert for Pamela nor anything about a father with first name of Feneby . Thanks for the shipping info, that is knew, great.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by cadilliac View Post
                                      Hi to all and thank you to all as well, Looking at Pamela's wedding cert her new father-in-law was a wheelwright, really difficult to read names of witness could be James Jensson and a J H ??. their address look like 11 Page St and Great Tufton or Tafton. A Pamela Flight was a witness with Richard Henry Tucker Formerly of Maddox St to a marriage on 28 March 1840 at St George Hanover Square of Alexander Richard Flight (Book Binder) and Ezilabeth Tucker. On one of her children birth cert her place of birth was gloucestershire. Known children are James think he was born 1852 in Chelsea London, Henry born 21 Sept 1860 in Collingwood Victoria Australia, Annie born 1850 Brighton England?, Elizabeth born Victoria Australia in 1854, Mary born Dunedin New Zealand 1869 and a Joseph 4 in 1860. I know they lived in New Zealand , Henry Carter died in South Africa in 1902. In 1873/5 Henry was a member of the Wellington Parliament. Never found a death cert for Pamela nor anything about a father with first name of Feneby . Thanks for the shipping info, that is knew, great.
                                      Who was this born Gloucestershire? Do you have a copy of that. What information does it give??
                                      Can you post an image of it?
                                      Kat

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                                      • #20
                                        This was the marriage - Eliza rather than Elizabeth
                                        Marriages Mar 1840

                                        FLIGHT Alexander Richard St.Geo.Han.Sq. 1 50

                                        TUCKER Eliza St. Geo. Han. Sq. 1 50
                                        Kat

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