Handwriting & FMP World

[LaurenS1990]

Hi all
Been so long that I've been on here - hope everyone is well.

Can anyone help decipher the handwriting on this record for me please?Prison record.JPG

Thanks

Lauren

As these two threads are both about the same person I have merged them Lauren

[Olde Crone Holden]

Convicted Ipswich for using threating (threatening) language sentence 6 months hard labour. Date 11 December 1875.

OC

[LaurenS1990]

Thanks so much OC - really appreciate it.

He was eventually sent to Australia! Currently trying to find more records :-)

[LaurenS1990]

FMP World

Hi all

Does anyone have a subscription to FMP world who would be willing to look at some records for me? I have the UK sub but not World!

The man I am looking for is Walter Denson born 1854/55 - he was shipped to Australia.

Thanks in advance!

Lauren x

[bubblebelle]

There is a Walter Denson b 1853 died 1929 aged 76, at Gosford NSW
If no-one has offered let me know.

[bubblebelle]

First name(s)
Walter
Last name
Denson
Sex
Male
Birth year
1855
Nationality
English
Passenger or crew
Passenger
Year
1874
Ship name
Nourmahal
Ship's master
H. Smith
Ship's departure port
London
Departure year
1874
Departure date
04 Feb 1874
Arrival year
1874
Arrival date
29 May 1874
Arrival port
Brisbane
List type
Departure
State
Queensland
Country
Australia
Record set
Queensland Customs House Shipping 1852-1885: Passengers And Crew
Category
Travel & migration
Subcategory
Migration
Collections from
Australasia

[Sylvia C]

were they still shipping convicts to Australia at that late date?

[Olde Crone Holden]

Sylvia

No, I think deportation stopped around the 1850s.

Either I have read the date wrong on the prison record or its not the same man. Opinions on the date of conviction please!

OC

[Anne in Carlisle]

I read it as 1875 too OC. It would help to see the whole page in context though. However if he was born 1855 then aged 20 would be about right for using threatening language!
Anne

[vera2013]

Is there an Ipswich in Australia?

This is a return of prisoners to be discharged from HM Gaol, St Helena, June 1876

Walter Denson, Ipswich 10 June 1876
Threatening language
6 months

Aged 22, 5' 6", Stout, fresh complexion, brown hair, blue eyes. WD anchor and stars L arm

Can't see original sentencing record. Was that Ipswich, Suffolk, UK

Vera

[Sylvia C]

IF this is him in 1871, then he might have been shipped out as a youngster ............. as they did the Dr Barnardos kids in the 20th C


Name: Walter Denson
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Inmate At Pupil (Inmate)
Gender: Male
Where born: Eastbourne, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Reigate

ED, institution, or vessel: Philanthropic Society Farm School, Reigate, Surrey

[Sylvia C]

There is an Ipswich in Queensland.

Walter Denson arrived in Queensland in 1874 ............. and it looks as though he got into more trouble there!


he was born in Eastbourne, Sussex in England

[Sylvia C]

??? is this him

Australia Electoral Rolls Transcription

Walter Denson Male - - -
Census details
First name(s) Walter
Last name Denson
Sex Male
Birth year -
Occupation -
Year 1876
Qualification Residence
Number -
House name -
Street -
Address Blackwall
Place Blackwall
Sub-district -
District Bremer
State Queensland
Country Australia
Page -
Fiche 47
Record set Australia Electoral Rolls
Category Census, Land & Surveys
Subcategory Electoral Rolls
Collections from Australia & New Zealand

[Sylvia C]

I'm not sure what this means .............

NSW bmd

Death Record

DENSON WALTER

Registration number
4501/1929

Father's Given Name(s)
76 YRS MENTAL HOSP

Mother's Given Name(s)

District
GOSFORD



From the 1861 Census, Walter's parents were .......

William Denson, b.ca 1817, Wells, Norfolk, Boatman, Coast Guard Service, R.N.
Hannah T. Denson , b.ca 1825, Gt Grimsby, Lincolnshire, Straw Bonnet Maker



If it means that father was in a mental hospital for 76 years ........ it doesn't add up.

1929 - 76 = 1853, father was on the 1861 Census, and obviously around 1854/55

[Sylvia C]

bits and pieces coming up ..........


Queensland, St Helena Convict Index 1863-1936

First name(s) Walter
Last name Denson
Name as transcribed DENSON Walter
Year -
Prisoner number 829
Place St Helena Island Prison
State Queensland
Country Australia
Microfilm number Z2040
Item Id 92280
Page no 57
Previous reference PRI2/9
Record set Queensland, St Helena Convict Index 1863-1936
Category Institutions & organisations
Subcategory Prison registers
Collections from Australia & New Zealand


no indication of crime, or sentence

[bubblebelle]

I'm not sure what this means .............

NSW bmd

Death Record

DENSON WALTER

Registration number
4501/1929

Father's Given Name(s)
76 YRS MENTAL HOSP

Mother's Given Name(s)

District
GOSFORD



From the 1861 Census, Walter's parents were .......

William Denson, b.ca 1817, Wells, Norfolk, Boatman, Coast Guard Service, R.N.
Hannah T. Denson , b.ca 1825, Gt Grimsby, Lincolnshire, Straw Bonnet Maker



If it means that father was in a mental hospital for 76 years ........ it doesn't add up.

1929 - 76 = 1853, father was on the 1861 Census, and obviously around 1854/55

I read this that it was Walter who was 76 and from that record looks to have died in a 'Mental Hospital' There is a record for Walter's release, from jail in Queensland, the original conviction indicted at the beginning of this thread tallies with that on the discharge details. I have advised Lauren of these details.

[kylejustin]

There are no parents listed on the death. In order to help people identify the right record in the index, they instead gave the age, and this case, place of death.