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  • William Joseph Ledger b c1875 Surrey

    Can anyone untangle this man's wives and children?

    First marriage to Eliza Dorrington Q1 1900 Croydon. Minnie born 28.12.1900 in Croydon, MMN Dorrington

    Second marriage to Emma Moulton Q3 1903 Croydon.

    First wife Eliza dies Q4 1908 Croydon. Were she and William divorced? Or did he marry Emma bigamously?

    In 1911 the family is:
    First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
    William Ledger Head Married Male Plate Layer 36 1875 Surry Limpfield
    Emma Ledger Wife Married Female Ironer42 1869 Kent Woolwish
    Minnie Ledger Daughter - Female - 10 1901 Surry Croydon
    Emma Ledger Daughter - Female - 5 1906 Surrey Purley
    William Ledger Son - Male - 3 1908 Surrey Stoal Mest
    Henry Taylor Wife Son - Male A B 24 1887 Kent Woolwish
    Louisa Taylor Wife Married Female - 22 1889 Kent Endenbridge

    This seems to be young Emma,
    Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
    LEDGER, EMMA FLORENCE MOULTON
    GRO Reference: 1906 M Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 245

    And this seems to be young William, but the MMN is different:
    Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
    LEDGER, WILLIAM HENRY CHARLES HARMAN
    GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in CROYDON
    Volume 02A Page 249

    (Sorry, it seems impossible to line up the columns)
    Last edited by webwiz; 01-03-17, 20:46.
    People: Canton, Wiseman, Colthup, Scrace
    Places: Pembrokeshire, Kent.

  • #2
    Did you check Henry Taylor ............ said to be wife's son ...........

    TAYLOR, HENRY JAMES JOHN HARMAN
    GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1181


    ie, same mmn as for William Henry

    so I think you need to check Emma out!
    My grandmother, on the beach, South Bay, Scarborough, undated photo (poss. 1929 or 1930)

    Researching Cadd, Schofield, Cottrell in Lancashire, Buckinghamshire; Taylor, Park in Westmorland; Hayhurst in Yorkshire, Westmorland, Lancashire; Hughes, Roberts in Wales.

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    • #3
      ????????????

      1891 Census

      Name Age
      Henry Taylor 25 b.ca 1866, Plumstead, Kent, Coal Carman
      Emma Taylor 23 b.ca 1868, Woolwich
      Henry J J Taylor 4

      Address:- North Street, Charlton, Plumstead


      ????????

      Marriages Jun 1901 (>99%)
      Brinkworth William James Woolwich 1d 2069
      MOULTON Benjamin Samuel Woolwich 1d 2069 <<<<<<<<<<<
      Taylor Emma Woolwich 1d 2069 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
      Wilkening Caroline Ada Woolwich 1d 2069


      Deaths Mar 1903 (>99%)
      Moulton Benjamin Samuel 30 Woolwich 1d 716
      My grandmother, on the beach, South Bay, Scarborough, undated photo (poss. 1929 or 1930)

      Researching Cadd, Schofield, Cottrell in Lancashire, Buckinghamshire; Taylor, Park in Westmorland; Hayhurst in Yorkshire, Westmorland, Lancashire; Hughes, Roberts in Wales.

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      • #4
        as for divorce ................ it was rare back then for ordinary folk, very expensive and difficult.
        My grandmother, on the beach, South Bay, Scarborough, undated photo (poss. 1929 or 1930)

        Researching Cadd, Schofield, Cottrell in Lancashire, Buckinghamshire; Taylor, Park in Westmorland; Hayhurst in Yorkshire, Westmorland, Lancashire; Hughes, Roberts in Wales.

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        • #5
          Thanks Sylvia.

          So, it looks like:
          Emma Harman married Henry Taylor around 1885 (can't find the marriage) and had a son Henry. I suppose her first husband died and she married Benjamin Moulton in 1901, but he died in 1903 and she then married thirdly William Joseph Ledger (even though his first wife was still alive) and had two children by him, putting her maiden name as Moulton, actually her second married name, when registering Emma but her actual maiden name when registering William Henry.

          It's late and I will go over it tomorrow.
          Last edited by webwiz; 01-03-17, 23:36.
          People: Canton, Wiseman, Colthup, Scrace
          Places: Pembrokeshire, Kent.

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          • #6
            ???? Emma with parents in 1871



            Name Age
            John Harman 28 b.ca 1843, Brompton, Kent, House Painter
            Emma Harman 26 b.ca 1845, Gloster (sic), Gloucestershire
            Emma Harman 3
            Lucy Sarah Harman 2 b.ca 1869, Kingston, Surrey
            Elizabeth Lingwood 22 Lodger
            Henrietta Lingwood 19 Lodger


            and in 1881

            Name Age
            John Henry Harman 38 b.ca 1843, Woolwich, Kent, House Painter
            Emma Harman 36 b.ca 1845, Gloucester City
            Emma Harman 13
            Lucy Harman 12
            Edith Harman 10
            Alice Harman 8
            Elizabeth Harman 3
            Katherine Harman 2
            My grandmother, on the beach, South Bay, Scarborough, undated photo (poss. 1929 or 1930)

            Researching Cadd, Schofield, Cottrell in Lancashire, Buckinghamshire; Taylor, Park in Westmorland; Hayhurst in Yorkshire, Westmorland, Lancashire; Hughes, Roberts in Wales.

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            • #7
              ?????????

              there's something wrong with this ............

              Marriages Jun 1886 (>99%)
              FARLEY Emma Jane Woolwich 1d 1581
              Harman Emma Woolwich 1d 1581
              PETERS Ellen Woolwich 1d 1581
              Robinson Frederick Woolwich 1d 1581
              WARREN Arthur Charles Woolwich 1d 1581
              My grandmother, on the beach, South Bay, Scarborough, undated photo (poss. 1929 or 1930)

              Researching Cadd, Schofield, Cottrell in Lancashire, Buckinghamshire; Taylor, Park in Westmorland; Hayhurst in Yorkshire, Westmorland, Lancashire; Hughes, Roberts in Wales.

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              • #8
                it looks like Emma Jane Farley married Arthur Charles Warren

                1891 Census

                Name Age
                Arthur C Warren 26
                Emma J Warren 25
                Arthur H Warren 3
                Alfred G Farley 9
                Mary A Farley 68


                and therefore Emma Harman married Fred Robinson (it is Robinson on the image). BUT this Emma says she was born in Notting Hill ......

                1891 Census

                Name Age
                Fred Poblete 25
                Emma Robinson 23 b.ca 1868, Notting Hill, London
                Charly Robinson 20 b.ca 1871, Winterbourne, Buckinghamshire
                Edith Robinson 3 b.ca 1888, Paddington, London
                Frederick Rohn 10/12


                EXCEPT ..... the new GRO Index shows mmn for Edith and Frederick is Phillips ?????

                OK ......... so this has to be that marriage

                Marriages Dec 1886 (>99%)
                PHILLIPS Emma Marylebone 1a 1032
                ROBINSON Frederick Marylebone 1a 1032


                so we are left with the problem of who married who, and what the correct page should read

                Marriages Jun 1886 (>99%)
                FARLEY Emma Jane Woolwich 1d 1581 <<<<< married A C Warren
                Harman Emma Woolwich 1d 1581
                PETERS Ellen Woolwich 1d 1581
                Robinson Frederick Woolwich 1d 1581
                WARREN Arthur Charles Woolwich 1d 1581
                My grandmother, on the beach, South Bay, Scarborough, undated photo (poss. 1929 or 1930)

                Researching Cadd, Schofield, Cottrell in Lancashire, Buckinghamshire; Taylor, Park in Westmorland; Hayhurst in Yorkshire, Westmorland, Lancashire; Hughes, Roberts in Wales.

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                • #9
                  ??????
                  Marriages Jun 1886
                  TAYLOR Henry Woolwich 1d 1584

                  It is p 1584 on the image

                  and Emma should be page 1584



                  so there is the marriage of Henry Taylor to Emma Harman

                  June quarter 1886


                  ............... the certificate should be ordered under Henry's name if you decide to do that!!
                  My grandmother, on the beach, South Bay, Scarborough, undated photo (poss. 1929 or 1930)

                  Researching Cadd, Schofield, Cottrell in Lancashire, Buckinghamshire; Taylor, Park in Westmorland; Hayhurst in Yorkshire, Westmorland, Lancashire; Hughes, Roberts in Wales.

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                  • #10
                    Henry J J was born very soon after the marriage

                    TAYLOR, HENRY JAMES JOHN HARMAN
                    GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1181


                    Marriages Jun 1886
                    TAYLOR Henry Woolwich 1d 1584


                    I couldn't find a Henry Taylor death registered in Woolwich between 1891 and 1901 .......... but it is a common name, and he could have died anywhere.
                    My grandmother, on the beach, South Bay, Scarborough, undated photo (poss. 1929 or 1930)

                    Researching Cadd, Schofield, Cottrell in Lancashire, Buckinghamshire; Taylor, Park in Westmorland; Hayhurst in Yorkshire, Westmorland, Lancashire; Hughes, Roberts in Wales.

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                    • #11
                      Thanks so much Sylvia. You were working on this whilst I was sleeping (in the UK). I think that wraps it up. Emma b1868 seems to have been unlucky with her choice of men.
                      People: Canton, Wiseman, Colthup, Scrace
                      Places: Pembrokeshire, Kent.

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                      • #12
                        You might say that :D
                        My grandmother, on the beach, South Bay, Scarborough, undated photo (poss. 1929 or 1930)

                        Researching Cadd, Schofield, Cottrell in Lancashire, Buckinghamshire; Taylor, Park in Westmorland; Hayhurst in Yorkshire, Westmorland, Lancashire; Hughes, Roberts in Wales.

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