A little marital problem

[Darksecretz]

Could any kind person see if they can spot this marriage in the parish registers for me. I am sure that I have seen the Pr's for Kensington, London but can I find them.. noooo

Name: Eliza Burch
Registration Year: 1873
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 379

spouse "should be" John Fowlden [but I have a hunch it is FOULDS]

I have them married in later census but can't find a suitable marriage near where they live.

am still hunting so will be in and out..

thanks you.

[GallowayLass]

I can't see a pr image on FMP on a quick search but the spouse there from the GRO index is John FOWLDES according to the transcript.
The image of the list itself says the same but the last letter is very poor quality and could easily be mistaken for an N. I enlarged it as far as I could on the phone and can see enough of the shape to convince me it is an S.

[GallowayLass]

ancestry's image is a bit better and although they have transcribed FOWLDEN it clearly is FOWLDES.

I can't see Kensington PRs on either site. I wonder if it is on familysearch.org as they have some images now or perhaps you had a trial sub at The Genealogist as they have a lot of PRs

[Darksecretz]

ahh so it's not just me then..lol.

it might be that they married in a reg office though not sure why as he was widowed and she wasn't married. a bit of a way to come from Nottinghamshire to find a wife! will have a look on FS now.

thanks GL [sounds SO informal]

[Darksecretz]

oh blow! they haven't got it either :( they must have married in a reg office. [and as it is only a marriage from the Foulds line that I am building a tree for then not a "need" cert]

it certainly does fit with other info I have though.

[Darksecretz]

and marriage locator can't spot it either. ho hum. :(

[AntonyM]

Kensington Registration District would cover quite a number of parishes by 1873, most of which should be in the LMA records on Ancestry but the PRs for St Mary Abbots (Kensington Parish Church) from the mid C19th onwards are still held by the parish I believe - http://www.smaw8.org/contacts.html

[Darksecretz]

Thank you Antony, I don't suppose that there is way to tell if it was a Registry Office marriage is there? but I will have a look on Ancestry again and see if I can spot anything.

[GallowayLass]

Just to muddy the waters a bit, there are plenty churces to choose from. This is from a transcription of Kensington from the National Gazetteer 1868, just five years before the marriage so relevant time-wise.

"The mother church of St. Mary, or St. Mary Abbot, formerly belonged to Abingdon Abbey. It contains tombs of the Riches, Dr. Jortin, Goodall, the physician, the Countess of Warwick, wife of the poet Addison, Dean Hodges, Lord Molesworth, the Ponsonbys, and George, son of the statesman Canning, with some lines by him as an epitaph on his son. In addition to the parish church, there are ten district churches-St. Barnabas, Addison-road; St. Philip's, Earl's Court; St. John's, Notting-hill; St. Peter's, Notting-hill; All Saints', Notting-hill; St. James's, Norland; St. Andrew's, Norland; Holy Trinity, Brompton; St. Mary's, West Brompton; and St. Paul's, Onslow-square, the livings of all which are perpetual curacies, varying in value from £300 to £639. There is also a chapel-of-ease at Brompton, and places of worship belonging to the Roman Catholics and several of the denominations of Protestant Dissenters."

[GallowayLass]

Did they by any chance move to Nottinghamshire? I went looking for children to the marriage to see if we could figure out where in Kensington from 1881 census and for the year of marriage plus 7 I only found one male child. With a name like that, it must surely be them?

FOULDES, BURCH	BURCH
GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in SOUTHWELL NOTTS Volume 07B Page 353

[Darksecretz]

Did they by any chance move to Nottinghamshire? I went looking for children to the marriage to see if we could figure out where in Kensington from 1881 census and for the year of marriage plus 7 I ont found one male child. With a name like that, it must surely be them?

FOULDES, BURCH	BURCH
GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in SOUTHWELL NOTTS Volume 07B Page 353

yes they did, Oxton near Southwell.. only had the one child [but he had others from his first marriage] am trawling the registers now, in between phoning vets

[Darksecretz]

have just trawled the complete churches on Ancestry for the year of 1873 nada, zilch, nowt. was worth a shot though!

[Christine in Herts]

According to the GoONS Marriage Locator "The entry is located between entries for Paddington Holy Trinity (RD: Kensington) and Chelsea Christ Church (RD: Chelsea)". Since you have "Kensington" as the District, it seems likely to be Paddington Holy Trinity that you're looking for.

But trying to prise it out of Ancestry - could it have been a Register Office wedding at that point?

C

[Darksecretz]

thanks Christine, I think that it is going to be too.