emily hewson and katherine wilce

[kylejustin]

i'm really stuck on these two and their children, any help is massively and gratefully received!

octavius pembroke shaw (b.1867, cardigan, wales- d.1915 at sea, aboard the "alice a. leigh"). in 1871 census in pembroke with parents william shaw and elizabeth buckenham, under initials "o.p. shaw". 1881 in bath. not found 1891/1901/1911.

EMILY HEWSON

1881 census: 77 vassall rd, lambeth

william hewson- head, 39, b.1842, york. baker
matilda- wife, 37, b.1844, paddington, middlesex.
emily- dau, 4, b.1877, brixton, surrey.
edith- dau, 2, b.1879, brixton, surrey.
along with 2 assistant bakers.

1891- 75 vassall road, lambeth

william hewson- head, 50, b.1841, beverley, middlesex. baker
matilda- wife, 46, b.1845, paddington, middlesex.
emily- dau, 14, b.brixton, lambeth. scholar.
and four younger siblings.

married 20 jun 1898, lambeth reg office:
octavius pembroke shaw, 29, hotel keeper.
emily hewson, 22, FATHER: WILLIAM HEWSON, DECEASED BAKER.

one child of the marriage according to GRO index:
maud emily shaw b.1897, wandsworth MN: hewson

i can't see emily hewson or her daughter maud in the 1901/1911 censuses, or death regs?
here is an older thread about emily, with images of her addresses in 1899 (living wandsworth) and 1901 (living southampton) when her husband octavius twice signed up for the boer war, explaining his absence from the 1901 census.

https://www.familytreeforum.com/showthread.php/103614-emily-hewson?highlight=octavius+pembroke+shaw

KATHERINE WILCE/WILES

listed as katherine wilce and wild in the marriage index. looks like wiles or wilce on the marriage.
married 20 jun 1904, bletchley, bucks
octavius pembroke shaw: 36, hotel keeper of bletchley
katherine wilce: 20, b.1884, bar maid of bletchley. father: george henry wilce, deceased searjent major.

three children according to GRO index:

1) gordon pembroke shaw- b.1905 camberwell MN: wilce. married 1925 liverpool to elizabeth kidd, with two possible children. d.1973 liverpool.
can't locate in 1911? but found in 1939.

2) twins: charles neville and kathleen hilda b.1910, st giles, london. MN wilce
can't locate at all asides from this.

can't find any info on katherine asides from marriage, or her children in the 1911 census. octavius was a steward in the merchant navy, and was in ill in west canada in 1914/5 according to the ship logs. the ship was on route to england from antofogasta, chile when he died in 1915.

[Guest]

am pming you

[Guest]

and what about this one
Octavius
Last name Shaw
Birth year 1869
Birth parish St Dognals
Birth town Cardigan
Birth county Pembrokeshire
Birth country WALES
Service number -
Regiment Imperial Yeomanry
Attestation year 1901
Attestation age years 32
Attestation age months -
Attestation coprs Imperial Yeomanry
Attestation service number -
Document type Attestation
Series Wo 128 - Imperial Yeomanry, Soldiers' Documents, South African War 1899-1902
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference WO 128
Box 0045
Record number 174
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records

[Guest]

maybe him Passport application

O P
Last name Shaw
Application year 1902
Record set Index To Register Of Passport Applications 1851-1903
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Travel
Collections from Great Britain

[bcbrit]

Hi Kyle.

Re: the twins

Charles N Shaw
death. Sept Q 1910 age 0

Kathleen H Shaw
death. Set Q 1911
Camberwell 1d- 1017 age 1

bcbrit
Camberwell 1d-388

[kylejustin]

Thanks val, i have his service records, but not the passport application, interesting.

Bc, cheers. Don't know why i couldn't spot those. The 1911 was taken on 2 apr, so i should be able to find kathleen? The one i didn't look for.

[Guest]

Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette 19 7 1904.JPG
dont know if you have seen this a newspaper cutting about the wedding
Titled a pretty wedding

[bcbrit]

I see that Gordon Pembroke Shaw was also a seaman.

On ancestry - UK Incoming Passenger List
14 September 1920
He is coming from Valpaiso, Chile.
Gordon appears to be part of the crew - OS, age 15 years.

Is it worth going out on a limb, and looking at Chile ?

The other thought I had was, if he was an orphan, would he have been placed in an orphanage or training school for the navy?

bcbrit

[kylejustin]

Thanks val, interesting read.

Bc, i know they took them young in the navy, so not surprised. But, was he orphaned? I can't locate either wife in a later census. There was a possibility for emily with an adopted child, but not concrete. And why can't locate octavius' children in a census? Maud should be in 1901, and gordon and kathleen should be somewhere in 1911?

[bcbrit]

Hi Kyle,

On the UK Incoming Passengers List, Gordon gives a London address.

Did you know that Octavius had a Freeman Record on ancestry ?

bcbrit

[kylejustin]

What's a freeman record?

[Guest]

here is Gordon in 1918 and his photo is on the record if you want the image
Gordon Pembroke
Last name Shaw
Event year 1918
Birth year 1905
Birth place London
Birth county/country London
Birth date 10 Jan 1905
Identity certificate number 409271
Card type CR10
Archive The National Archives
Series BT350
Date range 1918-1921
Record set Britain, Merchant Seamen, 1918-1941

[Guest]

TNA-MSEA-BT350-23-17-231795 (1) seaman record.jpg

here it is

[bcbrit]

Sorry, I meant Freemason record. I found it on ancestry.

He had been mistranscribed as Octavius Pombrook Shaw!

bcbrit

[kylejustin]

Thank you both. He looks like his father, wow.

[Elaine]

Is this related?

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=hxT5172&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&gss=angs-g&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&gsfn=octavius%20pem*&gsfn_x=0&gsln=shaw&gsln_x=0&MSAV=0&cp=0&catbucket=rstp&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=487845&dbid=60885&indiv=1&ml_rpos=7

[kylejustin]

Seems like octavius' wives and brothers weren't close. That's his brother james enquiring. One of the brothers lived here, and octavius had come out at one stage.