Philadelphia

[Schube424]

Looking for imformation regarding parentage, siblings, or immigration for a

Andrzy Grzegorzewski, also known as Andrzy Schubert, Henry Schubert, & Henry Grzegorzewski.

Was born around 1860 in Poland, died in 1926 in Philadelphia, PA.

He came over around 1891 with his wife and their kids at the time.

His wife was named Catherine (also went by Kate, she died in 1946 or 1947 I believe, in Philadelphia)

Buried at Holy Cross Cemetery in Philadelphia, PA

I cannot find a census record for them until 1920.


Anything else anyone can find out would be so helpful! Thank you!

[Katarzyna]

What's the ref for 1920 census? Children's names, ages, and under what name did he die in 1926? His wife's name is likely to be Katarzyna on any immigration papers.

[Katarzyna]

Name: Katharina Grzgozewski
Arrival Date: 22 Apr 1891
Birth Date: abt 1861
Age: 30
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Russian
Place of Origin: Russia
Port of Departure: Hamburg, Germany and Le Havre, France
Destination: Philadelphia
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Suevia
Last place of Residence: Kemblwo
Others in family:
Andreas 30 workman
Stanislaus 9
Wladislaus 4
Stanislaus 3
Peter 2

Also with parents?

Valentin 50 Workman
Margarethe 50

It's interesting that they say they were Russian. Poland was partitioned between Austria, Germany and Russia at the time. Kemblowo was in the German - western - part of Poland ;

Historical place name- CountryAdministration- Time
Kemblowo -German EmpireWreschen -before the Versailles Treaty (Under partition)
Kębłowo -Poland Września- after the Versailles Treaty 1919

It could be that they had formally lived in the North East of Poland (Under Russian rule) and had moved to Kemblowo before emigration or they did in fact originate from Russia.

[Katarzyna]

All their names are written the German way, not Polish or Russian

[Katarzyna]

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=vKn1397&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&db=HamburgPL_full&gss=angs-d&new=1&rank=1&gsfn=Katherina&gsfn_x=0&msbdy=1860&msbdy_x=1&msbdp=10&msapn__ftp=New%20York,%20New%20York&msapn=Hamburg,%20Germany%20and%20Le%20Havre,%20France&msedm=4&msedy=1891&_F0005FD7=Suevia&_F0005FD7_x=1&_83004003-n_xcl=m&MSAV=1&uidh=5u8&pcat=40&fh=0&h=50933&recoff=6&ml_rpos=1

Name: Kath .a Grzgorzewski
Gender: weiblich (Female)
Departure Age: 30
Relationship: Frau (Wife)
Birth Date: abt 1861
Residence: Kemblowo, Russland (Russia) maybe a town in Russia then but I cannot find one. Place names have changed so much since then.
Departure Date: 5 Apr 1891
Port of Departure: Hamburg
Port of Arrival: New York
Ship Name: Suevia
Captain: Fokkes
Shipping Clerk: Hamburg-Amerikanische Packetfahrt-Actien-Gesellschaft
Shipping line: Hamburg-Amerikanische Packetfahrt-Actien-Gesellschaft
Ship Type: Dampfschiff
Ship Flag: Deutschland
Accommodation: Zwischendeck
Volume: 373-7 I, VIII A 1 Band 071
Household Members:
Name Age
Valentin Grzgorzewski 50
Marg. Grzgorzewski 50
Andreas Grzgorzewski 30
Kath.a Grzgorzewski 30
Stanislaus Grzgorzewski 9
Wladislawa Grzgorzewski 4
Stanislaus Grzgorzewski 3
Pietr. Grzgorzewski 2
Worinika Grzgorzewski 9 Monate possibly died on the journey

[Schube424]

Tricky Immigration Records

So I am trying to figure out the mystery behind the immigration of my paternal family.

Rumor is they were from Germany, and came from Germany (Eastern Germany, I was told) but all records say they were Polish and came from Poland.


I cannot find ANYTHING on immigration, even though I know a lot to have a search - they came to the USA, most likely Port of Philadelphia but not 100% sure (they ended up in Philadelphia) between February and December of 1891.

The rumor was that the father came over on a German naval ship in 1891, but I know all the family came over that same year and I do not think all the kids would have been on a naval ship. So I doubt that story.

Wondering if anyone can track anything down. It is an elusive family!

Here are the details :

Andrzey (Andrew) Schubert / Grzegorzewski / Gregorski (later changed first name to Henry) born around 1860 in Poland, but I have seen 1850,1854,1864, etc.

his wife, Catherine / Katherine Kronkowski born around 1868 in Poland.

These are the children they had at the time they came over :

Margaret b1885 Poland
Stanley b1885 Poland (believe him and Margaret were twins)
Veronica born 1891 in Poland (but she later says Germany)
and Possibly Mary born 1891 in PA or Poland or Germany. Not sure

And like I said not sure if the family came from Germany or Poland. The records differ, but I am almost 100% sure it is Poland.

Anything anyone can find re: immigration would be extremely helpful!

Thank you!

[Schube424]

Ah I must have forgotten about that post - sorry about that! And looking at it .... that might be it... let me look .. thank you!

[Katarzyna]

9 Monate + 9 months

[Katarzyna]

Where are they in 1920 census and under what name?

[kylejustin]

Don't forget Poland politically didn't exist from 1795-1918. It was divided up between prussia, Russia and Austria on three occasions: 1772, 1794 and 1795. This is known as the partition of Poland. So they may have come from what is known as prussian Poland: pomerania, poznan, Silesia. The territories of Poland taken by prussia, the largest German state, which unified the German states into the modern country of Germany in 1871.

[Chrissie Smiff]

I have merged your two threads as they appear to be about the same people.

[Katarzyna]

Thanks Chrissie - do you want to remove the link from Post 7 as it will be confusing

Schube - If you give us the link to 1920 census it would be helpful as I have, like you, been unable to find them on 1900 or 1910 census. All my Polish immigrants americanised their names.
I think I have found a younger Valentin Grzegorzewski but that was in Michigan not Philadelphia.

[Chrissie Smiff]

Thanks Chrissie - do you want to remove the link from Post 7 as it will be confusing

Thanks Kat - done

[Schube424]

Thanks guys! In 1920 they are living as SHUBERT in Philadelphia. But, just with one child, George. I cannot find anything pre 1920.
And I do not think that immigration record is them! I thought it was but I know that the parents of Andrzy/Heney/Andrew were William & Margaret, according to his death certificate.

[Schube424]

And heres another kicker - I found a Schubert family living in 1910 at the same address where I know they lived in 1920. The names are different, but the ages match! And, I cannot find anything on the first names besides that one record...it is all so confusing!

[Katarzyna]

How do you know for sure this is your family?
1920 census: Henry Shubert
Age: 60
Birth Year: abt 1860
Birthplace: Poland
Home in 1920: Philadelphia Ward 39, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Street: Mercy St
House Number: 121
Immigration Year: 1891
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Catherine Shubert
Father's Birthplace: Poland
Mother's Birthplace: Poland
Native Tongue: Polish
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Carpenter
Industry: Warehouse
Naturalization Status: Alien
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Shubert 60
Catherine Shubert 58
George Shubert 19


I don't think these are the same family but admit it's a coincidence. All born Philadelphia, wrong occupation

1910 census:
Henry Shubert (Not Schubert)
Age in 1910: 46
Birth Year: abt 1864
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1910: Philadelphia Ward 39, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Street: Mercy Street
House Number: 121
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Mary Shubert
Father's Birthplace: Germany
Mother's Birthplace: Germany
Native Tongue: English
Occupation: Salesman
Industry: Drugs
Employer, Employee or Other: Wage Earner
Home Owned or Rented: Rent
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Years Married: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Shubert 46
Mary Shubert 47
Sarah Shubert 20
Anthony Shubert 17
John Shubert 14
Frank Shubert 9
Joseph Shubert 7

Very confusing as you say.

Where did you get the names of the children in post #6?

Edit: You would have expected George to have been on the 1910 census

[Schube424]

How do you know for sure this is your family?
1920 census: Henry Shubert
Age: 60
Birth Year: abt 1860
Birthplace: Poland
Home in 1920: Philadelphia Ward 39, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Street: Mercy St
House Number: 121
Immigration Year: 1891
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Catherine Shubert
Father's Birthplace: Poland
Mother's Birthplace: Poland
Native Tongue: Polish
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Carpenter
Industry: Warehouse
Naturalization Status: Alien
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Shubert 60
Catherine Shubert 58
George Shubert 19


I don't think these are the same family but admit it's a coincidence. All born Philadelphia, wrong occupation

1910 census:
Henry Shubert (Not Schubert)
Age in 1910: 46
Birth Year: abt 1864
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1910: Philadelphia Ward 39, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Street: Mercy Street
House Number: 121
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Mary Shubert
Father's Birthplace: Germany
Mother's Birthplace: Germany
Native Tongue: English
Occupation: Salesman
Industry:  Drugs
Employer, Employee or Other: Wage Earner
Home Owned or Rented: Rent
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Years Married: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Shubert 46
Mary Shubert 47
Sarah Shubert 20
Anthony Shubert 17
John Shubert 14
Frank Shubert 9
Joseph Shubert 7

Very confusing as you say.

Where did you get the names of the children in post #6?

Edit: You would have expected George to have been on the 1910 census

George is my grandfather so I know that is them in 1920.

And for 1910, I mean that the ages match up with the names of other children I have.

For example, I think it has Frank, aged 9. That could possibly be George. And there is no mention of this family or any of those other people listed besides this one record.
Who knows! So confusing. Going to look a lot more into it today.

And I got those names just from family.