Does anyone know German?

[PeteW1959]

Trying to translate a German marriage cert. There is an entry for 'Trautag', which is followed by a date.

Online translators don't recognise the word, but literally it could be 'maid day' (Trau = maid, tag = day).

Any idea what this means? The date is not the one I expected for the marriage, although it is the same year.

[JudithM]

my German-English dictionary translates trautag as wedding day

[PeteW1959]

Thanks Judith.

My dictionary says wedding day is Hochzeitstag!

[JudithM]

Thanks Judith.

My dictionary says wedding day is Hochzeitstag!

Yes mine gives wedding day or wedding anniversary for Hochzeitstag

[Chrissie Smiff]

Trying to translate a German marriage cert. There is an entry for 'Trautag', which is followed by a date.

Online translators don't recognise the word, but literally it could be 'maid day' (Trau = maid, tag = day).

Any idea what this means? The date is not the one I expected for the marriage, although it is the same year.

Could the month and day be the opposite way round Pete? I know that some countries do it that way.

[Elwyn]

My wife speaks German and says that "trauen" means to grieve. So trautag is a day of grief, or something along those lines. Could one of the parties have been a widow(er) and this be the date that their previous spouse died?

[Elaine]

Just asked my daughter who lives in Germany with her German partner and she said

mourning after a death

day of mourning = trauertag

[PeteW1959]

Hmmm, that seems strange. I have two files, one from a death register and the other from a marriage register (or so I have been told). They are for the same woman, Maria Saettele (nee Mueller).

https://db.tt/UfptO7WU

https://db.tt/J8Nj1KAj

Can anyone make head or tail?

[Elaine]

Just asked my daughter...

The first link death reg Maria

The first row is the name of the person who died.... she was born 1803 DOD 1843
Next row spouse's details

Second link....Lorenz

Marriage certificate for them

23 ? 1832

Groom born 5 Aug 1799
Bride born 1803

[PeteW1959]

Thanks Elaine,

The line that has the marriage date (which I think is 23 February 1832, written in Sütterlin), is the one labelled 'Trautag'.

[Elaine]

How about contacting hankol

https://www.familytreeforum.com/member.php/25617-hankol

he is more familiar with the old German and may be able to help

[Oakum Picker]

I don't speak German but one of the meanings of 'trauen' is 'marry' whereas 'trauer' is 'mourn'. If you google 'trautag' a lot of sites come up offering to arrange weddings so I think it's safe to 'assume' it's the marriage date.

[ozgirl]

Trauung is German for a wedding, The top of the marriage page says "Auszug aus dem Trauregister" or excerpt from the marriage register. In this case it is definitely referring to the wedding day which is 23 Hornung 1832. Hornung is Old High German for February, so 23 February 1832.

[ozgirl]

The various boxes, going down the page of the marriage certificate are
Groom- name, christian name, marital status, religion, profession, age (birth date), place of birth, more details etc
Date of marriage
Bride - Maiden name, then same as for Groom
Grooms parents - names, maiden name of mother, christian names, profession, place of residence, details of death etc
Brides parents - same as above
Other important information for the record.

I can't decipher a lot of the writing however.

[PeteW1959]

Thanks everyone.

I had managed to translate most of the printed text, it was just the word for marriage date that wasn't coming up on online translators.

Most of the writing I have managed to translate because it is information I already have, this is just official confirmation.

Only problem to sort out now is that Maria seems to have had 2 children after her death, but that's another story!