Hi everyone.
This is a bit long winded so please bear with me. If you manage to read to the end & are not totalling confused I would like some help with this family.
Mary Susannah Barnes was born 25th Sep 1876 at 46 Cannon St, Brighton, parents Thomas & Anne Maria (nee Dean) Barnes.
By 1911 she was living in Plaistow (Essex), going under the name of Maggie Edmonds age 34 a widow, married 17 years having had 7 children, 2 of whom have died. Living with her was her widowed mother Annie Barnes age 64 born London.
All 5 surviving children are living with her, all with surname Edmonds.
Hetty age 14 born Brighton.
Harry age 11 born Bow
May age 8 born Plaistow
Edward age 7 born West Ham
Kathleen age 3 born West Ham
Edward was my son-in-law’s grandfather. On his marriage cert he gave his father as Charles Edmonds, merchant seaman (deceased). Over the years my daughter has bought numerous birth certs for Edward but none turned out to have a father named Charles & it wasn’t until the 1939 register became available that was she able to find an exact date of birth for him & found that she already had his birth cert giving his father as Henry Edmonds, general labourer. He was born on 29/10/1903 in Stepney workhouse.
We now have the birth certs for
HETTY, registered as Henrietta Victoria Edmonds, born 3/2/1897 Brighton, no father named, mother Mary Barnes
HARRY registered as Harry Barnes 31/1/1900 Mile End. Mother Mary Barnes formerly Edmonds, father Henry Barnes, sapper in 1st battalion Royal Engineers. We think the registrar got the surnames round the wrong way.
MAY registered as May Constance born 7/5/1902 Plaistow, mother Mary Edmonds formerly Barnes, father Henry Edmonds, a reservist.
KATHLEEN. We know she was born 25/1 1908 (from 1939 register) but have not been able to find a birth entry for her.
Mary/Maggie now Margaret Edmonds, widow age 36 married Walter King in 1913 at West Ham Register Office. We think they may have had 3 children but don’t have the birth certs. Hilda 1913, Margaret 1915, W..... . 1919.
Henrietta Victoria married in 1915 naming her father as Walter King!
May Constance married in 1923 naming her father as Henry Edmonds (deceased) a soldier.
Harry married in 1919 naming his father as Henry Edmonds (deceased).
Edward married 1926 naming his father as Charles Edmonds (deceased) merchant seaman.
Kathleen married in 1927 naming her father as Henry Charles Edmonds (deceased).
Would welcome your opinions about Henry Edmonds the purported father of all Mary/Maggie’s children. Was he maybe just Henrietta’s father & Mary/Maggie used his name for the father of her later children? But she seems to have gone into quite a lot of detail about his occupation i.e sapper in 1st batt Royal Engineers & later a reservist. Did he exist or did she just have a vivid imagination?
I am trying to find Mary/Maggie in 1901 with or without her son Harry who would have been 14 months old on census day. Harry is not with Annie Barnes (grandmother) although Henrietta (Dolly) is.
I think this may be the Barnes family in 1891. Although the mother is Louisa & not Annie all the details of the children seem to fit with them being Mary/Maggie & her sister & brother.
I am also trying to find out what happened to Margaret & Walter King after their marriage in 1913 & also Hilda, Margaret & W..... . King who may or may not be children of the marriage. We have drawn a complete blank. Although we have Mary/Maggie’s date of birth she does not show up in 1939 so may have died although she would only have been 63 & the only details we have about Walter King come from the marriage cert. He was aged 40, a widower, a builders labourer & his father was Samuel King, blacksmith. The family lived at 143 Abbey Lane West Ham from at least 1915- 1927 & maybe later but appear to have moved pre 1939.
With such a common surname it’s not an easy task so any help would be appreciated.
Many thanks
Moggie
Sorry Moggie, I have had to remove one name as less than 100 years ago and I can't find a death.
This is a bit long winded so please bear with me. If you manage to read to the end & are not totalling confused I would like some help with this family.
Mary Susannah Barnes was born 25th Sep 1876 at 46 Cannon St, Brighton, parents Thomas & Anne Maria (nee Dean) Barnes.
By 1911 she was living in Plaistow (Essex), going under the name of Maggie Edmonds age 34 a widow, married 17 years having had 7 children, 2 of whom have died. Living with her was her widowed mother Annie Barnes age 64 born London.
All 5 surviving children are living with her, all with surname Edmonds.
Hetty age 14 born Brighton.
Harry age 11 born Bow
May age 8 born Plaistow
Edward age 7 born West Ham
Kathleen age 3 born West Ham
Edward was my son-in-law’s grandfather. On his marriage cert he gave his father as Charles Edmonds, merchant seaman (deceased). Over the years my daughter has bought numerous birth certs for Edward but none turned out to have a father named Charles & it wasn’t until the 1939 register became available that was she able to find an exact date of birth for him & found that she already had his birth cert giving his father as Henry Edmonds, general labourer. He was born on 29/10/1903 in Stepney workhouse.
We now have the birth certs for
HETTY, registered as Henrietta Victoria Edmonds, born 3/2/1897 Brighton, no father named, mother Mary Barnes
HARRY registered as Harry Barnes 31/1/1900 Mile End. Mother Mary Barnes formerly Edmonds, father Henry Barnes, sapper in 1st battalion Royal Engineers. We think the registrar got the surnames round the wrong way.
MAY registered as May Constance born 7/5/1902 Plaistow, mother Mary Edmonds formerly Barnes, father Henry Edmonds, a reservist.
KATHLEEN. We know she was born 25/1 1908 (from 1939 register) but have not been able to find a birth entry for her.
Mary/Maggie now Margaret Edmonds, widow age 36 married Walter King in 1913 at West Ham Register Office. We think they may have had 3 children but don’t have the birth certs. Hilda 1913, Margaret 1915, W..... . 1919.
Henrietta Victoria married in 1915 naming her father as Walter King!
May Constance married in 1923 naming her father as Henry Edmonds (deceased) a soldier.
Harry married in 1919 naming his father as Henry Edmonds (deceased).
Edward married 1926 naming his father as Charles Edmonds (deceased) merchant seaman.
Kathleen married in 1927 naming her father as Henry Charles Edmonds (deceased).
Would welcome your opinions about Henry Edmonds the purported father of all Mary/Maggie’s children. Was he maybe just Henrietta’s father & Mary/Maggie used his name for the father of her later children? But she seems to have gone into quite a lot of detail about his occupation i.e sapper in 1st batt Royal Engineers & later a reservist. Did he exist or did she just have a vivid imagination?
I am trying to find Mary/Maggie in 1901 with or without her son Harry who would have been 14 months old on census day. Harry is not with Annie Barnes (grandmother) although Henrietta (Dolly) is.
I think this may be the Barnes family in 1891. Although the mother is Louisa & not Annie all the details of the children seem to fit with them being Mary/Maggie & her sister & brother.
I am also trying to find out what happened to Margaret & Walter King after their marriage in 1913 & also Hilda, Margaret & W..... . King who may or may not be children of the marriage. We have drawn a complete blank. Although we have Mary/Maggie’s date of birth she does not show up in 1939 so may have died although she would only have been 63 & the only details we have about Walter King come from the marriage cert. He was aged 40, a widower, a builders labourer & his father was Samuel King, blacksmith. The family lived at 143 Abbey Lane West Ham from at least 1915- 1927 & maybe later but appear to have moved pre 1939.
With such a common surname it’s not an easy task so any help would be appreciated.
Many thanks
Moggie
Sorry Moggie, I have had to remove one name as less than 100 years ago and I can't find a death.
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