I am trying to track the birth (and family) of James Barnes. In 1939 he is in Nottingam C.B., dob is 1891, together with Kate D Barnes. Does the record give anymore information on date/place of birth?
Thanks
Linda
My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955
Hi Linda
There are two James Barnes records in the 1939 Register in Nottingham.
1) James Barnes, born 26 April 1890, married to (I assume) Mabel H. born 04 July 1889. There is also Marjorie M Barnes born 11 Nov 1926, at school, who later married a 'Brice'. This James is a Maintenance Mechanic in Textiles (War Work) Their address is 138 North Gate, Nottingham.
2) James Barnes, Unoccupied, born 26 Aug 1891, married (I assume) to Kate D, born 01 Oct 1896. there is a son at school, John J Barnes born 15 April 1925. Their address is 50 Park Street, Nottingham.
Hi
Mother's maiden name for John born 1925 was Hines. Parents marriage Kate D Hines & James Barnes qtr3 1918 Nottingham. I can't pinpoint James' birth or in the census so maybe the marriage cert would help.
Moggie
Hi Moggie, that is actually an error in both the marriage and birth reg as the mothers maiden name was Hiles. She was my Great Aunt. I have the marriage cert which doesn't help much - it's Aug 5th 1918, James says he is 27 (if his birthday was 26 Aug 1891 then he would have been 26) and his father is James Barnes (Deceased) an undertaker. I haven't been able to find any matches in the 1891, 1901 or 1911. The witnesses were one of the brides sisters and a G. Patchett.
Also, from the information that Angela gave above, the date given for Kate D's birth is also incorrect as she was born in 1895 and not 1896.
I have been trying to pin James down for a number of years!
Linda
Linda
My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955
I haven't found James b 1891 but I have a theory backed up by some censuses and a marriage . Sorry, I was just too tired to post it all last night. This maybe his family.
I found a 1911 census for Ashton under Lyne with James Barnes b 1859 Manchester, Fansial Undertaker [Funeral Undertaker]
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Lithographic Artist??
James marries Sarah Ann Mellor
Name: James Barnes
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1859
Age: 23
Father's name: Isaac Barnes Isaac Barnes was an Undertaker See his 1871 census
Spouse's Name: Sarah Ann Mellor
Spouse's Age: 20
Spouse's Father's Name: William Mellor
Marriage Date: 24 Aug 1882
Marriage Place:St. Michael, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
but not on Lancs OPC
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1871 census
41 TRAVIS ST St Clements Manchester
Isaac Barnes aged 42 Undertaker born M/C
Elizabeth Barnes aged 41 midwife born M/C
Elizabeth Barnes aged 17 single born M/C
Isaac Barnes aged 15 scholar b M/C
Matilda Barnes aged 5 born M/C
It is the only Barnes family I can find associated with Undertakers.
Perhaps someone else can find James b 1891. Could he be with a relative and his name horribly mangled or at a school?
What I meant to put in there was that although a Lithographic Artist 1891 it looks like James took over his father Isaac's Funeral business when he died in 1898
Thanks for all the input Kat - it's definitely a possibility, there certainly aren't too many funeral undertakers called Barnes that I can see. Jackie, James Jr was a Shop Assistant when he married, which is not very useful in terms of tracking him down. My one hope is maybe when the 1920 census ever get released maybe he will give a place of birth (if they asked that then) which might help.
Thanks to everyone again.
Linda
My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955
"County Court ..... James Barnes v Walter Christopher. This was a claim for £5, the price of a full trimmed black cloth coffin, alleged to have been ordered of the plaintiff, an undertaker living at Heckington, by the defendant a farmer at the same place, for his brother Zadock Christopher. Mr Bissill appeared for the plaintiff and Mr Toynbee for the defendant. Mr Toynbee did not deny that the coffin was ordered by the defendant, but he argued that the plaintiff well knew the defendant was only acting as the agent of Zadock Christopher's widow, who was still living, and had taken out letters of administration on the estate, he having died intestate. The coffin was supplied in February 1875...."
The only James Barnes I can find in Heckington was born there about 1839 and is usually described on census records as a joiner and/or parish clerk.
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James Barnes born Q/E Sept 1891 Sleaford which covers Heckington
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1911 Mary Ann and son. She is a chemist and he is a chemist's errand boy
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There is also a Kellys Directory for 1876 which has a James Barnes as carpenter, undertaker and paperhanger
Jackie that looks really good, however did you find it, I searched the newspaper archives and came up with a big fat nothing. It certainly covers all that was told - dob, fathers name, occupation and being deceased. And Heckington is not that far away from Nottingham, which probably had more work opportunities.
Definitely worth putting in!
Thank you so much, and also for the details you have found Elaine.
Linda
My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955
Jackie that looks really good, however did you find it,
Do you know, I'm not really sure how I found it;D I was just playing with various combinations of Barnes and undertaker and then when I saw a possible, followed him to see what there was.
The only way I can think of to see if its definitely the right one would be to get the birth cert and see if the dob matches from the 1939 entry.
I've saved a few entries from the Grantham Journal and Stamford Mercury that relate to the father. If you'd like them can you PM me your email address and I'll send them
Thanks for the offer Jackie, but now that you have shown me where to look I have found them on the BNA site. There was also one for possibly James Barnes Jr in 1916, saying he was in the Machine Gun Corps. Might be another lead. (?)
Linda
My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955
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