maria potter nee greenway

[dorcus]

Hi
Jabez batty 26 married Elizabeth potter22 marriedq1883 Barnsley
Elizabeth father isCharles potter
Charles potter22 married Maria Greenway20 dec1859 living atHarpurkey Manchester
The1861 cencus shows charles 26& Maria 24 plus sibling John 2& Elizabeth 2 living in collyhurst lancs.
In 1871 appears to have died as Charles is recorded as a widower aged 40 john 13 Elizabeth 11 addresspond hill sheffield.
I have tried to find Maria's death but not found any results.
please could any one help.

Thanks

[Sylvia C]

I have found the several deaths for a Maria Potter on Freebmd, between 1861 and 1871 ............ but it is not easy because we don't know where she died.

The question is ................ were they still in Lancashire, or had they already moved to Sheffield, or had they moved from Lancashire to another place, and then to Sheffield.

[Sylvia C]

Incidentally, the place where Maria was born, and where they were living, is Harpurhey, not Harpukey


I wonder if Maria and Charles separated, and he told people he was widowed to save face????

I can't find their marriage anywhere other than on lancsbmd, where it just shows married in 1859.

There are 2 John Potters showing on Freebmd as born in Manchester in 1859, 1 in the March quarter and 1 in the September quarter


I wonder if the marriage did not survive the birth of 2 children in a short 2 years?

[dorcus]

Thanks Sylvia.
I will have to keep digging.
Dorcus.

[Guest]

these are the deaths recorded between 1861 and 1871
Potter Maria 1862 St. Giles, London, England
Potter Maria 1863 Kingston, Surrey, England
Potter Maria 1863 Sunderland, Durham, England
Potter Maria 1864 Helmsley, Yorkshire, England
Potter Maria 1865 Chelmsford, Essex, England
Potter Maria 1865 Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England
Potter Maria 1865 Wisbech, Cambridgeshire,

shame you dont know where she may have died

[dorcus]

hi
yes Val know but they seem to have moved around alot in those days.Thanks for the information though.
Dorcus

[Darksecretz]

Incidentally, the place where Maria was born, and where they were living, is Harpurhey, not Harpukey


I wonder if Maria and Charles separated, and he told people he was widowed to save face????

I can't find their marriage anywhere other than on lancsbmd, where it just shows married in 1859.

There are 2 John Potters showing on Freebmd as born in Manchester in 1859, 1 in the March quarter and 1 in the September quarter


I wonder if the marriage did not survive the birth of 2 children in a short 2 years?

here you go Sylvia:

.http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...&rhSource=8767

Name: Charles Potter
Birth Year: abt 1835
Marriage Date: 14 Dec 1857
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: John Potter
Spouse's Name: Maria Greenway
Spouse's Father's Name: Samuel Greenway
Archive Roll: 725

[margaretmarch]

I think this might be your Charles Potter again in 1881 showing as married http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...iv=1&ml_rpos=9

Margaret

[margaretmarch]

Hi
Jabez batty 26 married Elizabeth potter22 marriedq1883 Barnsley
Elizabeth father isCharles potter
Charles potter22 married Maria Greenway20 dec1859 living atHarpurkey Manchester
The1861 cencus shows charles 26& Maria 24 plus sibling John 2& Elizabeth 2 living in collyhurst lancs.
In 1871 appears to have died as Charles is recorded as a widower aged 40 john 13 Elizabeth 11 addresspond hill sheffield.
I have tried to find Maria's death but not found any results.
please could any one help.

Thanks

Can you give us the link or reference for the 1871 census please?
Margaret

[dorcus]

Hi i have looked on the 1871 census and it does say charles potter widower 40
john 13 and elizabeth 11living in pond hill sheffield
Elizabeth Powell as a housekeeper aged 37
Thanks

[Sylvia C]

Julie

Thank you ......

but it's now even more confusing!!

Dorcus said Dec 1859, lancsbmd says 1859, yet that record is for December 1857


OK ............ I've now found the marriage on ancestry.

Charles is 22 and Maria 20

John Potter was a Silk Picker, and Samuel Greenway was a Labourer

[margaretmarch]

Julie

Thank you ......

but it's now even more confusing!!

Dorcus said Dec 1859, lancsbmd says 1859, yet that record is for December 1857


OK ............ I've now found the marriage on ancestry.

Charles is 22 and Maria 20

John Potter was a Silk Picker, and Samuel Greenway was a Labourer

See post #7 with the link for the image of the register entry.
Margaret

[margaretmarch]

Hi i have looked on the 1871 census and it does say charles potter widower 40
john 13 and elizabeth 11living in pond hill sheffield
Elizabeth Powell as a housekeeper aged 37
Thanks

I just thought that perhaps another pair of eyes on the image might produce more clues. Charles could have said widower even if he wasn't. Having a housekeeper when only a labourer smacks of a 'living together' situation.
Margaret

[Darksecretz]

Can you give us the link or reference for the 1871 census please?
Margaret

here you go Margaret,

1871: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...iv=1&ml_rpos=4

[JudithM]

I couldn't find them in 1871 on a search on Ancestry but did on FMP. One thing I noticed is that although housekeeper was her occupation Elizabeth Powell was not shown as servant in the relationship to head column (that was left blank)

[Darksecretz]

I couldn't find them in 1871 on a search on Ancestry but did on FMP. One thing I noticed is that although housekeeper was her occupation Elizabeth Powell was not shown as servant in the relationship to head column (that was left blank)

see my link on previous post Judith, that is them in 1871

[margaretmarch]

I couldn't find them in 1871 on a search on Ancestry but did on FMP. One thing I noticed is that although housekeeper was her occupation Elizabeth Powell was not shown as servant in the relationship to head column (that was left blank)

I see also that Elizabeth Powell is shown as married. It might be worth tracking her before and after 1871.
Margaret

[margaretmarch]

here you go Margaret,

1871: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...iv=1&ml_rpos=4

Thanks. I couldn't find it on ancestry and see why now - his age is mis-transcribed as 30 giving a year of birth of 1841 whereas he actually gives his age as 40 making it 1831!!

Margaret