Mary Harben 1832-1915 & Hannah Harben 1836-1896, Tadlow, Cambs.

[Earnest]

Could anyone please help to identify the maternal parentage of Hannah Harben and her sister (I believe) Mary Harben, my 2x great grandmothers from Tadlow, Cambridgeshire? I know Harben is the correct spelling; my late uncle was Edward Harben Sadler.

Mary and Hannah's parents' names were Edward Harben and his wife Sarah, but I'm uncertain of her surname. Ingrey, I had thought, but the names Hannah and Mary don't appear to fit in with their children's names. Ingrey is quoted in IGI records by a Harbon (sic) family member.

Mary married William Parish in 1858 and Hannah married Solomon Sadler in 1860 (Caxton, Cambs).

I haven't been able to find Mary nor Hannah's birth certificates online and will need to check further with the GRO... but I don't have exact details about either, regarding exact dates or parentage to ensure I'd get the right certificates.

Any leads would be greatly appreciated. With many thanks.

[Guest]

here is the parents marriage

Edward Harbon
Marriage year 1823
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name Ingry
Place Tadlow
County Cambridgeshire
Country England
Source Boyd's marriage index, 1538-1850

[Guest]

then there is this record slightly different spelling
Edward Harbon
Marriage date 17 Feb 1823
Marriage place Tadlow
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name Ingrey
County Cambridgeshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973

[Earnest]

Thanks, Val, for confirming the marriage entry.

The issue is that Edward and Sarah Harben's children are listed in the 1841 Census as Ann (15), Edward (13), Sarah (11), Marcy (9), John 7 and Emma 2 (Ancestry's transcription has the surname as Karbon and the latter listed as Hemer). Neither Mary nor Hannah are amongst them..... That's where I've ground to a halt. Would much appreciate any thoughts. The trouble is that other Ancestry family trees have the same parents, with children John, Emma (who married a William Neale), Charlotte and Jane, who aren't the family I'm seeking. So it's a tangled web!

I'd also like to check that Edward Harben's (if indeed he's Mary and Hannah's father) parents were Henry Harben (1770-1831) and Mary Woodgate (1773-1844).

I dashed through the tree too enthusiastically. Would like to get this sorted out! Thanks.

[Guest]

I found the 1841 census with them on it ? shall find it again hang on

[Guest]

think Marcy is Mary

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=uki1841&gss=angs-d&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&MS_AdvCB=1&gsfn=edward&gsfn_x=1&gsln=harbon&gsln_x=1&msbpn__ftp_x=1&msrpn__ftp=Tadlow%2c+Cambridgeshire%2c+England&msrpn=1657904&msrpn_PInfo=8-%7c0%7c0%7c3257%7c3251%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c5256%7c1657904%7c0%7c&msrpn_x=1&msrpn__ftp_x=1&msypn__ftp_x=1&MSAV=-1&uidh=uld&pcat=35&fh=0&h=3688383&recoff=6+18+30+31&ml_rpos=1

[Chrissie Smiff]

Have you got Mary's marriage certificate? If not, then you need to send for it to get the name and occupation of her father. The details are -
Marriages Mar 1858 Mary Harben to William Parish - Caxton ref 3b 633

[Earnest]

That's the family I was looking at... I had thought reading Mary for 'Marcy' and Hannah for 'Hemer' (more like Emma) was like grasping at straws, but with country accents and enumerators' often phonetic spellings, it may be possible. I couldn't find any other family - apart from the one I mentioned in the first message. Thanks.

[Earnest]

Thanks, Chrissie. Yes, I'll do that.

[vera2013]

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8978/BKMHO107_62_64-0489?pid=3688499&backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2f%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fgss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gsfn%3dhannah%26gsfn_x%3d0%26gsln%3dh*rb*n%26gsln_x%3d0%26mswpn__ftp%3dTadlow%252c%2bCambridgeshire%252c%2bEngland%26mswpn%3d1657904%26mswpn_PInfo%3d8-%257c0%257c0%257c3257%257c3251%257c0%257c0%257c0%257c5256%257c1657904%257c0%257c%26MSAV%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26catbucket%3drstp%26uidh%3d326%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26h%3d3688499%26recoff%3d7%2b18%2b19%26db%3duki1841%26indiv%3d1%26ml_rpos%3d1&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true

Hello Earnest

That could be Emma (Hemer) on the 1841 as this could be Hannah on the 1841

mis transcribed as Hanaah Herbon

in Tadlow with

William ? Titmuss aged 80
Hannah Herbon aged 4 Born in County with an asterisk in the margin
also
Charles Titmuss aged 45 ag lab
Ann Titmuss aged 40

I drove around that area last Sunday on a battery run. Was trying to get back to Caxton Gibbet roundabout.

Vera

[Earnest]

Thanks Vera. Quite a job to work out Ancestry's transcriptions. It looks as though it should be Hannah alright; the right age and born locally. I've added it to my Ancestry page, along with the page in the 1841 Census for the rest of her family. Will try to ascertain whether the Titmuss family are related, or perhaps they were neighbours who just looked after Hannah on that Census night. Much appreciated.

[vera2013]

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gss=angs-c&new=1&rank=1&gsfn=charles&gsfn_x=0&msbdy=1795&msbdy_x=1&msbdp=5&msbpn__ftp=Tadlow%2c+Cambridgeshire%2c+England&msbpn=1657904&msbpn_PInfo=8-%7c0%7c0%7c3257%7c3251%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c5256%7c1657904%7c0%7c&msypn__ftp=Tadlow%2c+Cambridgeshire%2c+England&msypn=1657904&msypn_PInfo=8-%7c0%7c0%7c3257%7c3251%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c5256%7c1657904%7c0%7c&_83004003-n_xcl=f&cpxt=1&cp=11&MSAV=1&uidh=326&pcat=CEN_1870&h=7917988&db=uki1871&indiv=1&ml_rpos=1

Came across this one on my travels last night. It could be that this Charles Titmuss is the same one as in the 1841 with Hannah and is the Uncle of your John Harben.

Vera

[Earnest]

You're quite a sleuth, Vera. Your contribution is very much appreciated. It's moved me another step forward. Thank you.

[Earnest]

Mary & Hannah Harben, Tadlow, Cambs.

Further on my great grandmothers from Tadlow, Cambridgeshire, the sisters:

Mary Harben (1832-1915), who married William Parish in March 1858 - Caxton BMD (marriage) ref 3b 633
and
Hannah Harben, who married Solomon Sadler in May 1860 - Caxton BMD (marriage) ref 3b 789.

I would like to send for birth certificates for them both as I need their mother's maiden name, but I can find no references to their respective birth registrations, let alone any dates, to use as reference. The only clues I've had to their years of birth so far have been from the Censuses. Even the Cambridge Family History Society listings don't appear to include them. Can anyone please suggest a way forward?

[vera2013]

Earnest according to my jottings from the various census, Mary was b 1832/33 and Hannah 1837. There would not be a birth cert with the GRO for Mary as registration did not take place until 1837. There could possibly be one for Hannah but in the early days not all the children were Registered. It was much later that it became compulsory.

The only hope is for Baptismal records if they were indeed baptized. I haven't come across any Cambs parish records online but others may have more knowledge about that. Think the church for Tadlow would have been St Giles assuming they were CofE.

Vera

[vera2013]

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CAM/Tadlow/

Cambridge University Library may have a record.

Vera

[vera2013]

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fb%2f323742537%2f1

Just in case you haven't seen this. Found this on FMP

Mary Harben
born 1832
bap 03/06/1832
abode - of the Parish
Tadlow
mother Sarah
father Edward - Lab

Its possible that Sarah's maiden name was never recorded

Vera

[Janet in Yorkshire]

Can you find a full sibling born 1838 or later? If there is a birth registration for such a child, it should give mmn.

Jay

[vera2013]

As per no mn for mother. (Never thought of that Janet)

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fb%2f323742537%2f1

Hannah Harbourn
born 1836
ba[ 25/12/1836
of the parish - of Tadlow
Father Edward - labourer
Mother - Sarah

Vera

[Caroline]

On order not to confuse us/me, since I am a bear withvery little brain, I have merged the two threads about the Harbens.