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    Was looking for a friend for someone that she went to school with, a girl.

    Very unusual name, only two entries, one birth in 1940, one death in 1996. BUT on the death certificate reference is says 'MALE' . Anyone else ever had this? Hell of a transcribing error if it's incorrect

    Linda

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    Linda

    An error's an error and the transcriber wouldn't kow whether the person was male or female anyway. Even if it was very obvious that Mary Smith was a female, that doesn't stop anyone typing male by mistake.

    As the name is so rare then I would think it correct - does the death date match the birth date (roughly) and can you account for any males born with the surname?

    OC

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Loopy Linda in La La Land View Post
      Was looking for a friend for someone that she went to school with, a girl.

      Very unusual name, only two entries, one birth in 1940, one death in 1996. BUT on the death certificate reference is says 'MALE' . Anyone else ever had this? Hell of a transcribing error if it's incorrect

      Linda
      Surely if the person had changed gender then the first name would be different at death to that registered at birth?

      Margaret
      Last edited by margaretmarch; 23-01-16, 14:30.

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      • #4
        Margaret

        Not sure when gender change was recognised by the GRO, but even so, the informant at death can only record what they know, and if they knew the deceased as a male then that's what they would register.

        Howver, if it's death of Mary Smith, MALE, then I think it is just a clerical error somewhere.

        OC

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        • #5
          Thanks for the answers

          Age at death matches with date of birth, never married.

          Looked up Christian name, Garnet, and it does seem to have be given predominantly to males.

          Perhaps that was the problem.


          Linda
          Linda

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          • #6
            Yes I've come across Garnet as a forename in my Yorkshire families when it is (in my experience) always a male name. If the death was in an area where it is not unheard of an assumption may have been made.

            Hang on .... do you have the actual certificate or is this an indexing thing? I'm not sure I've seen genders assigned to death indexes???
            Anne

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            • #7
              GRO indexes do not show the sex of the person, the actual certificate obviously does. You need to explain what the "death certificate reference" you are looking at is ?
              Retired professional researcher, and ex- deputy registrar, now based in Worcestershire. Happy to give any help or advice I can ( especially on matters of civil registration) - contact via PM or my website www.chalfontresearch.co.uk
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              • #8
                Quite a number of Garnets, all male, around this area of Breconshire as a Christian name. Also a few surnames as Garnet and Garnett
                Last edited by wr.; 24-01-16, 14:07.

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                • #9
                  Hi, this is what I am looking at on FMP. I guess as this person has died it's ok to post details??

                  GARNET O'MOORE

                  Last name
                  FARRELL

                  Gender
                  Male

                  Birth day
                  10

                  Birth month
                  6

                  Birth year
                  1940

                  Age
                  -

                  Death quarter
                  4

                  Death year
                  1996

                  District
                  SOUTH GLOUCESTERSHIRE

                  District number
                  3041B

                  Register number
                  B3

                  Entry number
                  267

                  Date of registration mm/yy
                  1296

                  County
                  Gloucestershire

                  Country
                  England

                  Record set
                  England & Wales deaths 1837-2007

                  Category
                  Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

                  Subcategory
                  Deaths & burials

                  Collections from
                  Great Britain


                  On FMP they all have whether Male or Female

                  My friend was with this person at school from age 11-16
                  and they were best friends

                  Linda
                  Last edited by Loopy Linda in La La Land; 24-01-16, 15:14.

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                  • #10
                    Would it be feasible to contact the District office to see if their record also shows "male" for that record? It looks as if 1996 is late enough for the record to have been fully computerised, so there should be no discrepancy between the two versions - so probably a wild goose chase.
                    Researching: BENNETT (Leics/Birmingham-ish) - incl. Leonard BENNETT in Detroit & Florida ; WARR/WOR, STRATFORD & GARDNER/GARNAR (Oxon); CHRISTMAS, RUSSELL, PAFOOT/PAFFORD (Hants); BIGWOOD, HAYLER/HAILOR (Sussex); LANCASTER (Beds, Berks, Wilts) - plus - COCKS (Spitalfields, Liverpool, Plymouth); RUSE/ROWSE, TREMEER, WADLIN(G)/WADLETON (Devonport, E Cornwall); GOULD (S Devon); CHAPMAN, HALL/HOLE, HORN (N Devon); BARRON, SCANTLEBURY (Mevagissey)...

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                    • #11
                      My friend has now sent off for the certificate, so will have to wait and see...thanks

                      Linda

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                      • #12
                        GRO couldn't find the certificate so contacting the South Glos office and the certificate arrived last week.

                        GARNET was indeed a female.

                        Thanks for your interest and suggestions

                        Linda

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                        • #13
                          So glad to know that that little puzzle is now resolved!

                          Christine
                          Researching: BENNETT (Leics/Birmingham-ish) - incl. Leonard BENNETT in Detroit & Florida ; WARR/WOR, STRATFORD & GARDNER/GARNAR (Oxon); CHRISTMAS, RUSSELL, PAFOOT/PAFFORD (Hants); BIGWOOD, HAYLER/HAILOR (Sussex); LANCASTER (Beds, Berks, Wilts) - plus - COCKS (Spitalfields, Liverpool, Plymouth); RUSE/ROWSE, TREMEER, WADLIN(G)/WADLETON (Devonport, E Cornwall); GOULD (S Devon); CHAPMAN, HALL/HOLE, HORN (N Devon); BARRON, SCANTLEBURY (Mevagissey)...

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