Kelly -- Looking for info on my wife's ggf, Walter Alfred KELLY, Sr. born in N. Ireland d. Canada, m Alice Goslin b. Winchester, England m. & d. St. Catharines, Lincoln County, Ontario,Canada in 1907. His son, Walter, Jr. was born November 15, 1891 in Ireland or England. Traveled with his family to Canada in 1896. After his mother died in 1907, he ran away from home and changed his name to Walter Alfred HOWARD. He married Hepzibah L. MANNING b. June 25, 1895 in London, England on April 4, 1918 in St. Catharines, Lincoln County, Ontario, Canada. My wifes family only found out several years ago that the family name originally was KELLY. Missing alot of info. Can anyone out there help? This is a brick wall for me. We are traveling to Ireland on vacation and I would love to have a breakthrough before the trip. Thank you! Bill Elsey
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I see Walter jr was still calling himself Kelly when he married Hephzibah in 1918, and they both say they were born in London, England:
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They were using the surname Howard by the time of the 1921 census:
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According to that census he was born in England c. 1892 and emigrated in 1894, and both his parents were born in England.
Have you found him on any earlier censuses with his parents, or on a passenger list? I haven't found an obvious birth for him in england yet.
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I have found a family living in London, England in 1891 which pretty much matches the information you've given, except that Walter sr is born in England and Walter jr is born a bit early.
The parents named on Walter jr's marriage cert are Walter Kelly and Alice Gosling.
There's a baptism at St Margaret's, Westminster on 6/12/1888 for Walter Alfred Kelly, parents Walter and Alice Kelly of 12, Horseshoe Alley, York Street; Walter sr is a labourer.
That family are living at 15 Horseshoe Alley in 1891:
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Mother Alice was born in Winchester, which matches your information, but father Walter was born in Westminster.
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I haven't found an obvious candidate for either Walter sr or Alice in the earlier UK censuses yet.
Where did you find her maiden name, and the information that Walter sr was born in N. Ireland?
I see Walter jr and Hephzibah were in the USA in 1930 and 1940, and he was using the name William in 1940.
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I'm not convinced that the family in Westminster are the right one.
I can't find a marriage for Walter Kelly and Alice Gosling, or an Alice Gosling of the right age born in the Winchester area, but there is a marriage in the Strand registration district in 1884, which is about the time when the first child of the Westminster family was born. The details haven't been transcribed properly, but I think the couple may be Walter Kelly and Alice Green. There's a matching birth of an Alice Green in the Winchester area at about the right time.
Births Sep 1863
GREEN Alice Winchester 2c 98
Marriages Sep 1884
GREEN Alice Strand 1b 1033
Kew Joseph Hubert Strand 1b 1033
HUGHES Catherine Ann Strand 1b 1038
KELLY Walter Strand 1b 14__
I've checked the images for the last two, and the page number is 1033 in both cases.
I've found the marriage for Joseph Hubert Kew and Catherine Ann Hughes on FindmyPast, so Walter Kelly presumably married Alice Green.
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What year was Walter senior born? You can search NI births here https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/search/birth if it was after 1864 when Civil Registration started.
His age would show on the marriage record and even possibly on the death record if you have them.
Obviously with a surname Kelly it is going to be difficult to pin him down.
Margaret
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Originally posted by Mary from Italy View PostI'm not convinced that the family in Westminster are the right one.
I can't find a marriage for Walter Kelly and Alice Gosling, or an Alice Gosling of the right age born in the Winchester area, but there is a marriage in the Strand registration district in 1884, which is about the time when the first child of the Westminster family was born. The details haven't been transcribed properly, but I think the couple may be Walter Kelly and Alice Green. There's a matching birth of an Alice Green in the Winchester area at about the right time.
Births Sep 1863
GREEN Alice Winchester 2c 98
Marriages Sep 1884
GREEN Alice Strand 1b 1033
Kew Joseph Hubert Strand 1b 1033
HUGHES Catherine Ann Strand 1b 1038
KELLY Walter Strand 1b 14__
I've checked the images for the last two, and the page number is 1033 in both cases.
I've found the marriage for Joseph Hubert Kew and Catherine Ann Hughes on FindmyPast, so Walter Kelly presumably married Alice Green.
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
The marriage record in this tree was copied from another http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/49...19842368/facts and with the same family attached.
MargaretLast edited by margaretmarch; 03-01-16, 08:47.
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See this Border Crossing to USA from Canada in 1923 http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/10...21/edit/record
Walter Kelly AKA Howard says he was born in Toronto and that he was last living at 14 M???hie Street St Catherine's, Ontario.
He gives his nearest relative details as 'uncle John of 140 Portland Street, Toronto'.
MargaretLast edited by margaretmarch; 03-01-16, 09:03.
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Here is Walter Kelly aka Howard in 1921 census http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...off=&ml_rpos=1
It shows he emigrated in 1894 and Hepzibah in 1907 and his place of birth is England and both parents born England.
I can't see the passenger list for him yet.
MargaretLast edited by margaretmarch; 03-01-16, 09:56.
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Originally posted by margaretmarch View PostSee this Border Crossing to USA from Canada in 1923 http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/10...21/edit/record
Walter Kelly AKA Howard says he was born in Toronto and that he was last living at 14 M???hie Street St Catherine's, Ontario.
He gives his nearest relative details as 'uncle John of 140 Portland Street, Toronto'.
Margaret
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Margaret,
Thank you very much for your efforts and your response. I show that Walter Alfred Kelly Sr. was born in 1860 and in N. Ireland. Another member has suggested that he was born in England and the Census records seem to agree. I haven't been able to get any info on the parents of Walter Sr. or his wife, Alice Gosling. I'm inspired now to keep digging. The family tree you found is one that I just posted, I believe.
Thanks again, Bill
Originally posted by margaretmarch View PostWhat year was Walter senior born? You can search NI births here https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/search/birth if it was after 1864 when Civil Registration started.
His age would show on the marriage record and even possibly on the death record if you have them.
Obviously with a surname Kelly it is going to be difficult to pin him down.
Margaret
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Mary, thank you very much for all of your efforts on my behalf. I see what you are saying, as the records seem to reflect that Walter Alfred Kelly Sr. was actually born in England- I show in 1860, but no confirmation obviously. I am intrigued now and hope to find some info on his parents, as well as those of his wife, Alice Gosling.
Thanks agian, Bill Elsey
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Originally posted by williamme View PostMary, thank you very much for all of your efforts on my behalf. I see what you are saying, as the records seem to reflect that Walter Alfred Kelly Sr. was actually born in England- I show in 1860, but no confirmation obviously. I am intrigued now and hope to find some info on his parents, as well as those of his wife, Alice Gosling.
Thanks agian, Bill Elsey
How do you know that Alice died in Canada in 1907? I could not find a death record, but maybe you have some family papers or other proof of this piece of information.
I really think you need to go back to basics and disregard what you have found on line so far and check out what you do really know.
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MargaretLast edited by margaretmarch; 04-01-16, 05:46.
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here is Walter and Hepzibah in 1921 http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/89...d=&usePUB=true
He says both his parents born in England and that he was born there too. What makes you think his father was born in Ireland?
Do you know when and where in Canada that Walter senior died? Do you have the details of the family's passage to Canada?
I could not find the 1921 census record for the uncle mentioned on the USA Border Crossing record. I did not know how to search for an address in case the uncle's name was not Kelly, Gosling or Howard.
Margaret
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Have a look at this Walter A Kelly b 1890 in the 1901 Census of Canada http://search.ancestry.co.uk//cgi-bi...iv=1&ml_rpos=2
If you look at the image you can see he is listed with John and Isabella Kelly a married couple both born in the Isle of Man. I wonder???
Margaret
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