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fran
12-12-15, 17:03
I have just been having a quick look at the 1939 register and I found my mother's entry.It gives both her maiden and married names but she did not marry until 1941. Can anyone explain?
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julite
12-12-15, 17:06
Same with my mother - the register was used after WWII - for NI/NHS purposes, so married names were added at relevant later dates,

Judith

Guy
12-12-15, 18:00
Yes although Parliament was assured the 1939 Register was not being used after 1951 when the 1939 Registration Act was repealed the 1939 Register was used until 1981.
Cheers
Guy

fran
12-12-15, 20:27
Thank you both very much.
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James18
13-12-15, 03:32
Guy, it was updated until 1991, wasn't it?

Guy
13-12-15, 07:33
Oops yes, that'll teach me to do two things at the same time.
I was also answering questions about my marriage in 1981 to one of my grand children at the same time.
Cheers
Guy

Olde Crone Holden
13-12-15, 09:15
Guy

you married one of your grandchildren??????????!!!!!!!!

OC

Tilly Mint
13-12-15, 10:10
Oops yes, that'll teach me to do two things at the same time.
I was also answering questions about my marriage in 1981 to one of my grand children at the same time.
Cheers
Guy

:D:D made me laugh there, Guy.

angelina
13-12-15, 12:23
:D that made me laugh too Guy.:D

Guy
13-12-15, 17:29
Shame on you all laughing at an old man's disability. :(
Just you wait until your old and the years pass like weeks and the decades like years. :confused:

In the meantime I plead insanity.

Cheers
Guy

Sylvia C
14-12-15, 04:58
My great aunt remarried in 1951, two years after her first husband died, yet she is on the register in her second name

Similarly, both my brother and my uncle should have been closed as they were born in 1929 and 1925 respectively. But they are open to view ........... brother died in 1990 and uncle in 1991

Jill on the A272
14-12-15, 07:03
It was updated with deaths until 1991 Sylvia, which is why you can see them.

PhotoFamily
14-12-15, 07:09
Shame on you all laughing at an old man's disability. :(
Just you wait until your old and the years pass like weeks and the decades like years. :confused:

In the meantime I plead insanity.

Cheers
Guy

Oh, Guy - it made me think of the book, Eats, shoots and leaves which has a totally different meaning if you remove the comma.

That's two chuckles today - thanks!

James18
18-12-15, 17:01
There's no shame in it, Guy. It was big in ancient Egypt.

Sylvia C
18-12-15, 21:14
Jill

I did realise that was the reason, as I knew before I looked how long updating had continued.

But a lot of people do / did not realise that.

webwiz
19-01-16, 10:27
I submitted a death certificate to get a record opened but (so far) although it has opened the person on the image it has not on the transcription. So if you are waiting for a record to be opened do look at the image rather than the transcription. Or maybe both, perhaps they are updated separately.

AntonyM
20-01-16, 15:43
I've just had an email from FindMyPast to say that unlimited access to the 1939 Register will be included in my World FMP Subscription from the 16th Feb , very good news !

Guy
20-01-16, 15:46
Yes a number of people have reported similar emails on other forums
Cheers
Guy

GallowayLass
20-01-16, 15:48
That's very quick given that they need to recoup their costs. Good news indeed.

Val wish Id never started
20-01-16, 16:28
wonderful news but did you scroll down and see the price to renew world when it runs out ? I dont really understand it as it says its only available to new members?

AntonyM
20-01-16, 17:19
wonderful news but did you scroll down and see the price to renew world when it runs out ? I dont really understand it as it says its only available to new members?

Looks like a rise in the cost of the world sub is coming in for new subscribers to take account of the 1939 reg being included presumably - what they are offering is a discounted rate (the current sub - 10%) for existing subscribers if you auto-renew.

I renewed my World sub a few weeks ago when they had a 75% discount offer, so paid a lot less. All these sites constantly make offers so prices may change a lot before my renewal comes up.

Night Owl
20-01-16, 17:27
Its not just the World sub. I've had a similar email to say it wil be included in my Britain sub as of 16th February.

Anne in Carlisle
20-01-16, 17:47
Me too. Roll on 16th February! I thought it would come in the end but not so soon. I had not even looked at it at all, not having any 'vital' lookups to do. However I'm sure I can play happily for hours if its on my sub. It was only renewed in mid December and I only paid £89.55.
Anne

Val wish Id never started
20-01-16, 19:01
I was really lucky and have world for $49.88 dollars starting 16 Feb so well pleased.

webwiz
20-01-16, 19:30
I am not so pleased having splashed out on credits just a few weeks ago and on 16th Feb I will get free access but I have looked up most of the relevant people already. If I had known this was coming I would have waited.

Val wish Id never started
20-01-16, 20:13
yes its a shame I agree ,I held back because of the price glad I did now.

Pookie
20-01-16, 23:09
Likewise I had an email today. I am currently subscribed under FMP.ie, I don't know how but still! I renewed my sub when it was offered paying by Us$ at a very cheap rate and it was added onto my existing world wide membership so I'm signed up now until 2017- but my question is will I still be eligible to see the 1939 register? I haven't looked at it at all yet but will certainly do so if I can after 16Feb! Hope someone can tell me the answer!
Caroline

Val wish Id never started
21-01-16, 00:07
yes you should be able to great isn't it ?

Sylvia C
21-01-16, 00:39
My email also said that my subscription would be extended by 3 days because of the free offer this coming weekend :)

Val wish Id never started
21-01-16, 00:56
yes me too they certainly are getting better at keeping us happy.;)

Richard in Perth
21-01-16, 06:12
Considering that it was released only a couple of months ago, I'm frankly amazed at how soon FMP are including the 1939 register in their standard subs. I can't see how they can possibly have recouped much of their outlay in such a short time, even though the register was over-priced and over-hyped at the time! Maybe the take-up has been less than they expected (possibly due to the high cost of credits), and they feel it has more value as a lure for potential customers to their subscription services. I'm really glad now that I decided not to spend money on credits for this, but instead to make do with the free index information until full access became available on subscription. I was expecting to have to wait at least a year, as we did with the 1911 census, but looks now as if we'll have it next month. Great, because I've already got a list of 400 records to check, based on info I've gleaned from the free index!

Olde Crone Holden
21-01-16, 10:17
I think the 1939 is like anything else which is new and has an untested value. You market it at top dollar and see what happens. If there's not much take up, you drop the price and that is what has happened here.

From what I have heard it is a poorly presented dataset with many mistakes on it and a cheap (well, free!)way of getting those mistakes corrected is to let the subscribers do it.

It has been no use as a source for me as I know where everyone was in 1939. I suspect that is the same for many researchers.

OC

Guy
21-01-16, 11:57
I think the 1939 is like anything else which is new and has an untested value. You market it at top dollar and see what happens. If there's not much take up, you drop the price and that is what has happened here.

From what I have heard it is a poorly presented dataset with many mistakes on it and a cheap (well, free!)way of getting those mistakes corrected is to let the subscribers do it.

It has been no use as a source for me as I know where everyone was in 1939. I suspect that is the same for many researchers.

OC

The problem is many who have complained of errors on the 1939 have not even looked at the original image to see if in fact the transcript is in error or faithfully records what the register shows.

Many of the new generations of genealogists seem to think a transcriber should use other sources to correct information given to census and the 1939 Register.
But that is not really surprising as many of those same "researchers" are the ones who do not understand what records record.

Cheers
Guy

Olde Crone Holden
21-01-16, 13:27
Guy

I understand what you are saying, but some of the errors are definitely in the transcription and do not record what the image says

I was once present at an LDS history centre when an elderly woman desperately tried to get the manager to "correct" the parish register which showed her parents marrying only five months before her birth. She insisted it was wrong, despite the fact that it appeared in exactly the right place in the original register and hadn't been fiddled about with. The manager showed her the entry in the GRO indexes and she said that was wrong too. People's fondly held BELIEFS about their family very often get in the way of the truth.

OC

Richard in Perth
21-01-16, 13:43
Thing is, Guy - at £6 a pop to check the original image, I don't think many people will bother - they will just assume that it's the transcription that's in error in most cases. Maybe that's unjustified, however now that we are going to get unlimited access to the 1939 included with our FMP subs, I guess we'll be able to make a more informed assessment as to the accuracy of the transcriptions!

Of the nearly 400 records that I have found in the index so far that are relevant to my research, around 8% of the names contain errors compared with what I expected them to be. Sure, some of these will be errors in the original records but also many are obvious transcription errors ("Acver" for Hover, "Warcham" for Wareham, "Cathcpole" for Catchpole, etc). Also I have several examples where it seems that the columns have been misaligned, so that the birth dates have been assigned to the next (or previous) person on the page. I understand that this was a consequence of the way the records were transcribed (i.e. by column rather than by record). No doubt these sorts of errors are part of the reason why so many names that should be there can't be found. Even after finding many mistranscribed names as mentioned above, I'm still missing around 5% of people who I know "should" be on there! Anyway, I'm looking forward to Feb 16th, as with unlimited access it is obviously going to be possible to check many more images and hopefully track down some of those elusive mispers!

Cheers,
Richard

DgJay
21-01-16, 14:22
Has anybody read anywhere whether the 1939 register will be included in the library edition on Feb 16th?

Chrissie Smiff
21-01-16, 16:53
I haven't got a sub, but would consider whatever the one cheaper than world is if it's going to include the 1939 register. Does anyone know for sure whether it will include it or not please?

Val wish Id never started
21-01-16, 18:42
Chrissie read post 22 from Jackie looks like it is available to the UK sub too.

Chrissie Smiff
27-01-16, 10:38
I have been looking at this USA half price offer (link below). It's for USA and Canada, but having read what it includes it says 'not the 1939 register'. I wonder if this was because it wasn't when the offer was made, or whether it still won't be available with a USA and Canada subscription? I am now unsure what to do and I believe one or two of the member took it up too, so I wonder if they will get the 1939 register in Feb?
https://www.findmypast.com/Pay?vouchercode=75FSJAN16&sourceID=13&utm_source=msix_affiliate&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign

Elaine ..Spain
27-01-16, 10:42
I have been looking at this USA half price offer (link below). It's for USA and Canada, but having read what it includes it says 'not the 1939 register'. I wonder if this was because it wasn't when the offer was made, or whether it still won't be available with a USA and Canada subscription? I am now unsure what to do and I believe one or two of the member took it up too, so I wonder if they will get the 1939 register in Feb?
https://www.findmypast.com/Pay?vouchercode=75FSJAN16&sourceID=13&utm_source=msix_affiliate&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign

Chrissie, what you are looking at is a World subscription - not US & Canada. Look at the tabs at the top of the page - the WORLD tab is the one that is open.

Chrissie Smiff
27-01-16, 10:48
Chrissie, what you are looking at is a World subscription - not US & Canada. Look at the tabs at the top of the page - the WORLD tab is the one that is open.

Oh, sorry Elaine, I thought the one in grey was the one it was offering:o The link I followed to it said USA, so I thin that's what threw me.

Janet
27-01-16, 16:21
The problem is many who have complained of errors on the 1939 have not even looked at the original image to see if in fact the transcript is in error or faithfully records what the register shows.

Many of the new generations of genealogists seem to think a transcriber should use other sources to correct information given to census and the 1939 Register.
But that is not really surprising as many of those same "researchers" are the ones who do not understand what records record.

Cheers
Guy

Well, I have both the original and the transcription of where my parents were living in 1939. I had guessed the number a few years ago but I was wildly wrong when I realised that the road in 1939 had crescents running off the main road and we had lived in one of the crescents which in 1939 was known as North Road but in later years had different names for the Crescents.

One of the redactions is a brother who died December 1966.

However some of the errors on the transcription are, in my view, unforgiveable. The transcription states the name of my father followed by SP Post Office Hospital Plymouth.The original states very clearly something totally different and I can read it quite easily.

SB PO RN Hospital, Plymouth, followed by a Service Number, which for those who know their navy translates to SB=Sick Bay PO=Petty Officer RN=Royal Navy so not any old hospital in Plymouth, but the Royal Navy Hospital in Plymouth, of which there was only the one in Plymouth. That sounds to me as though a transcriber has second guessed the meaning totally wrongly!! Post Office for a Petty Officer in the navy is a hoot. I would have been quite happy if they had put the initials as they were on the original! I have also found another error on my grandmother living in the same road as she is down as S but the original states quite clearly W. I have yet to correct the errors!

Janet

Janet
27-01-16, 16:44
I have been looking at this USA half price offer (link below). It's for USA and Canada, but having read what it includes it says 'not the 1939 register'. I wonder if this was because it wasn't when the offer was made, or whether it still won't be available with a USA and Canada subscription? I am now unsure what to do and I believe one or two of the member took it up too, so I wonder if they will get the 1939 register in Feb?
https://www.findmypast.com/Pay?vouchercode=75FSJAN16&sourceID=13&utm_source=msix_affiliate&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign

Chrissie I remember another post which talked about getting FMP subs cheaper from other countries, and having just been stung on not being able to use my discount for the 1939 Register because my sub was cheaper from Ireland and I had been offered the discount in eu0s instead of sterling, I pointed out the dangers of getting cheaper subs through other countries. As it so happened I did manage to obtain the discount eventually, but I had to ring up FMP and explain. If you get your sub through another country then later down the line you may well miss out on something else World or not.

Janet

Guy
27-01-16, 16:47
Well, I have both the original and the transcription of where my parents were living in 1939. I had guessed the number a few years ago but I was wildly wrong when I realised that the road in 1939 had crescents running off the main road and we had lived in one of the crescents which in 1939 was known as North Road but in later years had different names for the Crescents.

One of the redactions is a brother who died December 1966.

However some of the errors on the transcription are, in my view, unforgiveable. The transcription states the name of my father followed by SP Post Office Hospital Plymouth.The original states very clearly something totally different and I can read it quite easily.

SB PO RN Hospital, Plymouth, followed by a Service Number, which for those who know their navy translates to SB=Sick Bay PO=Petty Officer RN=Royal Navy so not any old hospital in Plymouth, but the Royal Navy Hospital in Plymouth, of which there was only the one in Plymouth. That sounds to me as though a transcriber has second guessed the meaning totally wrongly!! Post Office for a Petty Officer in the navy is a hoot. I would have been quite happy if they had put the initials as they were on the original! I have also found another error on my grandmother living in the same road as she is down as S but the original states quite clearly W. I have yet to correct the errors!

Janet

The most unforgivable error from what you have written is the transcriber expanding contractions.
Any transcriber worth their salt knows that should never be done.

Are you going to send in a scan of your brother's death certificate in case it would help other researchers?

Cheers
Guy

Chrissie Smiff
27-01-16, 17:01
Chrissie I remember another post which talked about getting FMP subs cheaper from other countries, and having just been stung on not being able to use my discount for the 1939 Register because my sub was cheaper from Ireland and I had been offered the discount in eu0s instead of sterling, I pointed out the dangers of getting cheaper subs through other countries. As it so happened I did manage to obtain the discount eventually, but I had to ring up FMP and explain. If you get your sub through another country then later down the line you may well miss out on something else World or not.

Janet

Thank you Janet:) Yes, I remember that and that's why I didn't do it before. I have done it this time though because it was either that (Less than £40 for a year) or not have a FMP sub at all. I love Ancestry but I can't afford to have them both and am dreading next year when my new FTM's run out (and they stop accepting them anyway) and I have to pay a full sub or nothing. I shall have to have Ancestry as my birthday and Christmas presents and definitely no FMP next year.

Janet
27-01-16, 17:33
The most unforgivable error from what you have written is the transcriber expanding contractions.
Any transcriber worth their salt knows that should never be done.

Are you going to send in a scan of your brother's death certificate in case it would help other researchers?

Cheers
Guy

Yes Guy I will be correcting the errors and sending in my brother's Death Certificate but i am tied up with family for the moment so it will have to wait.

Janet

Chrissie Smiff
28-01-16, 09:49
I've got a frustrating one that is wrong on the register, but I haven't got the proof to get it changed. He is listed as John D, instead of John H (not mistranscribed, just wrong on the register). I haven't got the marriage cert and don't want to buy it as he isn't quite direct and I know everything about them. I have photos of them with their names and address on the back and his probate is listed at the same address in 1946 as John Henry. I also have them in all the census, including 1911 with some of her family staying with them. They won't presumably accept a change on that sort of 'evidence'?

Janet in Yorkshire
28-01-16, 10:25
I've got a frustrating one that is wrong on the register, but I haven't got the proof to get it changed. He is listed as John D, instead of John H (not mistranscribed, just wrong on the register). I haven't got the marriage cert and don't want to buy it as he isn't quite direct and I know everything about them. I have photos of them with their names and address on the back and his probate is listed at the same address in 1946 as John Henry. I also have them in all the census, including 1911 with some of her family staying with them. They won't presumably accept a change on that sort of 'evidence'?

Surely what is on the original register can't be changed and as far as I know, unlike Ancestry, FMP don't accept and index alternative transcriptions??
Unfortunately in all databases there are examples of wrongly entered information - it's just unfortunate when it applies to a record we need.

Jay

Chrissie Smiff
28-01-16, 10:33
I agree Janet:) It would be nice though if we could add a little message somewhere though, just to help others searching. I couldn't understand at first why I couldn't find him, until I entered her and living with a John in the right place.

Janet in Yorkshire
28-01-16, 13:44
They liked to keep us on our toes, Chrissie :D

Jay

webwiz
30-01-16, 12:41
I can't see anywhere to report mistranscriptions of the 1939 register. Is there one?

Caroline
30-01-16, 12:48
I can't see anywhere to report mistranscriptions of the 1939 register. Is there one?

You need to have opened the record and then on the bottom right there is a link to a menu: Make a request which is next to the Print link.You then need to scroll down to Report an error. That opens up the form where you can change as many fields as you need to. :)

webwiz
30-01-16, 15:49
You need to have opened the record and then on the bottom right there is a link to a menu: Make a request which is next to the Print link.You then need to scroll down to Report an error. That opens up the form where you can change as many fields as you need to. :)

Thanks Caroline, but clicking on the "Submit Corrections" button does not seem to do anything. Has anyone successfully submitted a correction? BTW I use Chrome.

Caroline
30-01-16, 16:35
Thanks Caroline, but clicking on the "Submit Corrections" button does not seem to do anything. Has anyone successfully submitted a correction? BTW I use Chrome.

I've done several, using Firefox I think. :)

webwiz
30-01-16, 17:03
Tried with Chrome, Firefox and IE. None work for me.