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  • A Death Certificate question

    Can anyone remember when recording a person's DOB & place, start on English Death Certificates please?
    teresa

  • #2
    I think someone recently told me it was 1969.
    Eighteen -- Hadleigh, Suffolk; Reading, Berkshire
    Hendry -- Ballymena, Antrim; Glasgow, Lanarkshire
    Wylie -- Ballymena, Antrim; Glasgow, Lanarkshire

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    • #3
      Oh good as I want to order one for 1974 and hope it states where he was born!
      teresa

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      • #4
        I'm not sure it will say where, but a 1974 certificate should certainly have his date of birth (if it was known by someone at the time he died).
        Eighteen -- Hadleigh, Suffolk; Reading, Berkshire
        Hendry -- Ballymena, Antrim; Glasgow, Lanarkshire
        Wylie -- Ballymena, Antrim; Glasgow, Lanarkshire

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        • #5
          A death in 1974 will have the DOB transcribed on Freebmd (if it has been transcribed on the index).

          Place of birth will only be as good as what the informant knows or assumes, as not everyone can produce a BIRTH certificate for the deceased in time to register the death (six days).

          OC

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          • #6
            Freebmd only gives the year of Birth so I might be unlucky in finding out where he was actually born!!
            teresa

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            • #7
              what year was he born maybe somebody on here can find him on a record somewhere

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              • #8
                Oh dear, if Freebmd only gives a year that means the informant didn't know, so as you say, probably won't know where he was born either.

                OC

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Val wish Id never started View Post
                  what year was he born maybe somebody on here can find him on a record somewhere
                  This is the the Death Reg...I'm helping my cousin's cousin to trace her Grandparents and other ancestors!

                  Death Reg. Orignal reads “John Samuel Roberts”
                  Name: John Roberts
                  Birth Date: 1892
                  Date of Registration: Dec 1974
                  Age at Death: 82
                  Registration district: Grimsby
                  Inferred County: Lincolnshire, Humberside
                  Volume: 7
                  Page: 0525

                  His wife's death reg

                  Death Reg
                  Name: Margaret Roberts
                  Birth Date: abt 1892
                  Date of Registration: Mar 1957
                  Age at Death: 65
                  Registration district: Grimsby
                  Inferred County: Lincolnshire
                  Volume: 3b
                  Page: 185

                  Her Dad's Death Reg

                  Death Reg
                  Name: John Samuel Roberts
                  Birth Date: 15 Dec 1922
                  Date of Registration: Jun 1980
                  Age at Death: 57
                  Registration district: Grimsby
                  Inferred County: Humberside
                  Volume: 7
                  Page: 0422

                  Her Dad's Birth Reg

                  Birth Reg
                  Name: John S Roberts
                  Mother's Maiden Surname: Cannon
                  Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1923
                  Registration district: Grimsby
                  Inferred County: Lincolnshire
                  Volume Number: 7a
                  Page Number: 1015
                  teresa

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                  • #10
                    dont know if you know but they are in Grimsby Lincolnshire on the 1939 register

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                    • #11
                      have pmd you ,, not given up yet but not found anything conclusive yet.

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                      • #12
                        My grandfather died in 1963. My uncle registered his death, but his age information is wrong!

                        Grandfather always had us celebrate his birthday on Christmas Day, and the belief was that he was born Dec 25 or 261884. He even had that as his birth date on his attestation papers for WW1. The papers are signed on December 11 1915, and he says he is 30 years and 350 days old

                        After his funeral, my uncle was clearing the house and found a birth certificate hidden away .............. grandfather was born Jan 9 1885, about 2 weeks later han he said.


                        Yes, it is only 2 weeks difference ................ but is an example of how much of the information on a death certificate is only that which is known to the informant!
                        Last edited by Sylvia C; 25-11-15, 04:09.
                        My grandmother, on the beach, South Bay, Scarborough, undated photo (poss. 1929 or 1930)

                        Researching Cadd, Schofield, Cottrell in Lancashire, Buckinghamshire; Taylor, Park in Westmorland; Hayhurst in Yorkshire, Westmorland, Lancashire; Hughes, Roberts in Wales.

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                        • #13
                          Could this be John and Margaret in the 1939 Register.


                          John S Roberts - date of birth 28 Oct 1893
                          Margaret Roberts - date of birth 8 Feb 1893

                          This record says there are 6 other entries, officially closed.
                          Looking at FreeBMD I can see 6 children born to ROBERTS/CANNON in Grimsby between 1920-1935 - so this could be the six closed records.

                          Cannot see a Roberts/Cannon marriage ???
                          Elaine







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                          • #14
                            The John Roberts in the 1939 Register has a birth date of 28 October 1893

                            Have found this record on Ancestry ..
                            UK, Royal Naval Reserve Service Records Index, 1860-1955
                            Name: John Samuel Roberts
                            Born 28 Oct 1892 - London
                            Service number - DA 2669


                            Index only - links to this record on TNA
                            The official archive of the UK government. Our vision is to lead and transform information management, guarantee the survival of today's information for tomorrow and bring history to life for everyone.


                            Not sure what other info it might hold, probably just names of vessels on which he served.
                            Elaine







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                            • #15
                              This is a possible birth registration
                              Births Dec 1892
                              Roberts John Samuel
                              Paddington 1a 44

                              and maybe 1911 census (in Royal Navy)



                              This is all guesswork at the moment .. nothing definite to tie it altogether! :(
                              Elaine







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                              • #16
                                Does your friend have a copy of the death certificate for her father or any of the younger siblings?
                                If she does then I would suggest submitting that against the 1939 Register entry to see if it will open one of the records - at least then you will know for certain that this is the correct family and you have some idea of the parents' birth dates (given in post 13).
                                You don't need to unlock the record but you will need a FMP subscription to request that an officially closed record is opened, but there are generally some good offers around for a monthly sub.
                                I'm not sure how long it takes for the record to be opened - I believe initially FMP were working on a 10 day reply, but not sure if this has been amended.
                                Elaine







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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Elaine ..Spain View Post
                                  Could this be John and Margaret in the 1939 Register.


                                  John S Roberts - date of birth 28 Oct 1893
                                  Margaret Roberts - date of birth 8 Feb 1893

                                  This record says there are 6 other entries, officially closed.
                                  Looking at FreeBMD I can see 6 children born to ROBERTS/CANNON in Grimsby between 1920-1935 - so this could be the six closed records.

                                  Cannot see a Roberts/Cannon marriage ???
                                  Yes I found 6 too but when I spoke to my cousin's cousin..she said there were 8 altogether. Their names as she knew them by.
                                  Winifred, Martha, Lily,John Samuel, Irene, Ellen, Freda and Rose. She also gave me the names of some of their spouses which I've found, so that bit fits. Winney married and American and that is why she moved across there.

                                  I couldn't find Winifred or Martha so guessed that Margaret had married before. Took me a while but I think this is the marriage.

                                  Marriage Reg
                                  Name: Margaret Cannon
                                  Spouse Surname: Donohue
                                  Registration Year: 1912
                                  Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
                                  Registration district: Fylde
                                  Inferred County: Lancashire
                                  Volume: 8e
                                  Page: 1609
                                  Records on Page: Name
                                  Margaret Cannon

                                  John Donohue

                                  Eliza Laraway

                                  Joseph Pickles

                                  Margaret's second marriage
                                  Marriage Reg
                                  First name(s) JOHN S
                                  Last name ROBERTS
                                  Marriage quarter 4
                                  Marriage year 1917
                                  Registration month -
                                  MarriageFinder™ JOHN S ROBERTS married
                                  MARGARET DONOHUE
                                  Spouse's last name DONOHUE
                                  District FYLDE
                                  District number -
                                  County Lancashire
                                  Country England
                                  Volume 8E
                                  Page 1015

                                  Birth Reg
                                  Name: Winifred Donohue
                                  Mother's Maiden Name: Cannon
                                  Registration Year: 1914
                                  Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
                                  Registration district: Fylde
                                  Inferred County: Lancashire
                                  Volume: 8e
                                  Page: 1182

                                  Birth Reg
                                  Name: Martha E Donohue
                                  Mother's Maiden Name: Cannon
                                  Registration Year: 1912
                                  Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
                                  Registration district: Fylde
                                  Inferred County: Lancashire
                                  Volume: 8e
                                  Page: 1076

                                  I sent off for both marriage certificates.

                                  Margaret's marriage to John Donohue in June 1912 was in Blackpool in RC Church He was 19 and she was 21. Margaret's father was William Cannon , General Dealer.


                                  John Samuel Roberts and Margaret Donohue, a Widow, marriage in Oct 1917. They were both aged 24 when they married in Blackpool, he was a Fisherman and his father was George Valentine Roberts General Labourer. Margaret's father was William Cannon, a Navvy.
                                  teresa

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                                  • #18
                                    I've been searching for a previous marriage .. without success!

                                    Did you have any luck finding John Samuel Roberts with father George Valentine Roberts in the census?
                                    Elaine







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                                    • #19
                                      So is this John Samuel Roberts?


                                      Image gives date of birth as 28 October 1892 which matches the naval record I found - and a close match to the date of birth on the 1939 register which is transcribed as 28 October 1893.

                                      London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
                                      John Samuel Roberts
                                      Baptism Date - 8 Feb 1899
                                      Father - George Valentine Roberts
                                      Mother - Lillie Elizabeth Roberts
                                      St Marylebone, Westminster
                                      Elaine







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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Elaine ..Spain View Post
                                        So is this John Samuel Roberts?


                                        Image gives date of birth as 28 October 1892 which matches the naval record I found - and a close match to the date of birth on the 1939 register which is transcribed as 28 October 1893.

                                        London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
                                        John Samuel Roberts
                                        Baptism Date - 8 Feb 1899
                                        Father - George Valentine Roberts
                                        Mother - Lillie Elizabeth Roberts
                                        St Marylebone, Westminster
                                        I really think that this is him because he was aged 24 on the marriage Cert on 15th Oct 1917 so wouldn't have been 25 until later on in the month! Maybe the year of birth on the 1939 Register is a transcription error! It says he was a Soldier. I will ask my cousin's cousin if she knows of the address given on the 1939 Register. Probably won't hear from her until sometime tomorrow as she now lives in Australia.
                                        teresa

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