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  • Help with my grandad: military and birth

    Hello everyone:
    following the discovery of some old family papers, I have a bit more information on my Irish granddad, and would like to take this further. Any tips on where to look are appreciated, I have already searched Ancestry without luck.

    Name: James Joseph Dempsey
    DOB: 16.07.1903 (taken from death certificate)
    POB: Dublin, Ireland (as above)
    I would love to find his birth record, and order the certificate. As far as I have been told, his mother was called Elizabeth Kirby/Kirkby and came from the North of England.
    His father was Irish, named John.
    I have a possible family in Dublin in 1911, although the mother isn't stated as English, so I'm not sure if this is them. I haven't found a marriage for them yet either.

    On an old postcard to my granddad was the following information:
    posted 12 Sept 1927, postmark Baile Atha Clait? (Gaellic), stamped Dublin,Eire
    Addressed to J Dempsey
    Indian Draft Depot
    Royal Fusiliers
    Hounslow
    London

    "Dear Jimmy
    I am posting your clothes on now as I only got your letter this morning. Watch out for them. Send word when you're coming. Maryan is gone off since last Wednesday. No wedding"

    Frustratingly, it is unsigned, so I have no idea if it is from his mother/father/sibling etc. There is also no clue who Maryan is (the spelling and punctuation isn't great, so this is quite possibly Mary Ann or Marian). On a side note, I would love to know her story

    Anyway, back to the point. My granddad lived in Ireland but served with the British Army, he definitely went to India and he definitely contracted malaria. I don't know when he came out, but he signed back up during the second world war.

    So, can anyone help me to:

    A. Locate a birth and/or baptism record
    (I have his marriage record thanks to this site)

    B. Find out more about his army career

    Thanks very much in advance

    Denise

  • #2
    There was a little boy of this name admitted to North Dublin Union workhouse in 1906 aged 3, father John mother Elizabeth address 30 Grenville Street. He was still there in 1914. But it is a very common name, as are John & Elizabeth so it may not be him.
    Last edited by webwiz; 16-10-15, 18:37.
    People: Canton, Wiseman, Colthup, Scrace
    Places: Pembrokeshire, Kent.

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    • #3
      Possible WW1 record:
      James J Dempsey
      Service number 3/8625
      Rank Private
      Soldier Number: 3/8625, Rank: Private, Corps: Royal Irish Rifles
      Last edited by webwiz; 16-10-15, 19:11.
      People: Canton, Wiseman, Colthup, Scrace
      Places: Pembrokeshire, Kent.

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      • #4
        Ignore above, he was obviously too young to have served in WW1.
        People: Canton, Wiseman, Colthup, Scrace
        Places: Pembrokeshire, Kent.

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        • #5
          Thanks for your help. Where did you find the workhouse record?

          Denise

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          • #6
            I use FMP World.
            People: Canton, Wiseman, Colthup, Scrace
            Places: Pembrokeshire, Kent.

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            • #7
              Hello Denise

              Not sure what you have

              Can see a possible family in 1911 with a James (looks like the same one webwiz found in Workhouse so maybe he wasn't actually at home at the time)

              1911 Ireland Census
              Dempsey Elizabeth 34 Widow, Domestic, Head of Family married 12 year 4 ch 3 alive
              Elizabeth 11 Daughter
              Maryann 9
              James 7
              O'Toole, Elizabeth 26 Boarder
              All born City of Dublin

              Living 30 Grenville St, Mountjoy, Dublin

              1901 Ireland Census

              Dempsey, John 26 Gen Labourer
              Elizabeth 27
              Elizabeth 1
              All born City of Dublin
              21 St George Quay, Trinity, Dublin

              Civil Registration of Marriage 25th July 1897 South Dublin
              John Dempsey and Lizzie Kirby

              Can see baptisms for Elizabeth and Maryann at St Andrews RC Church, Dublin

              1899 Elizabeth, 21 St George's Quay. Parents, John Dempsey and Elizabeth Kirby. Sponsors Patrick Sweeney and Mary Stephens

              1901 Maryann, 21 St George's Quay. Parents John Dempsey and Elizabeth Kirby. Sponsor Mary Ellis

              Unfortunately nothing coming up for James Joseph


              Vera
              Last edited by vera2013; 19-10-15, 06:51.

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