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    Hello, We are stuck with this man - he is the father of William Augustus Hart born 1845 but is not with him in 1851, William Augustus is with his grandparents. Have been unable to locate his father in any census. Any ideas/help would be much appreciated

    Thank you

    Hartist
    Last edited by Hartist; 06-10-15, 22:26. Reason: incomplete post

  • #2
    Can you give some more information - where were they born - do you have the mother's name. Where was he on 1841 census and what's the ref for the 1851 census please.
    Kat

    My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012

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    • #3
      here is her other thread Kat it may help

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      • #6
        Hi Kat, there is a possible marriage for William in the Dec quarter of 1842 in Gloucester but unclear as to who his wife was. Four possibilities : Elizabeth Jordan, Mary Morgan, Mary Smith or Betty Tommey.Is it possible for you to tell us where the grandparents are in 1841 and William in 1851 as I cannot look at the links you posted. If we know the locations my friend can check it out on FMP.

        Thanks for your help with this.

        Hartist

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        • #7
          1841 Widemark Gate, Hereford All Saints (occ Printer) Born out of county

          Piece 433, Bk1, Fol 25, p 34

          1851 Friars(?) Hereford St Nicholas

          Piece 1978 Fol 133 p 34
          William 1801 b Charlton Kings, Gloucestershire, Printer compositor
          Mary A M 1803 b London, Middlesex
          William A 1844 b Herefordshire - grandson

          have pm'd you
          Last edited by Katarzyna; 07-10-15, 13:58.
          Kat

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          • #8
            I think you would need to buy this birth cert first to confirm parents. From that we could look for a marriage.
            Name William Augustus Hart
            Event Type Birth Registration
            Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
            Registration Year 1844
            Registration District Hereford
            County Herefordshire
            Event Place Hereford, Herefordshire, England
            Volume 26
            Page 159
            Kat

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            • #9
              Where did you get the info re William Hart b 1827?. If he married as you think in 1842 he would only have been 15/16 yrs old.
              Kat

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              • #10
                Kat, thank you again for this information, I think this is the best move as there are loads of William Hart records - like looking for needle in a haystack!!

                I have seen your PM.

                Hartist
                Last edited by Hartist; 07-10-15, 18:12.

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                • #11
                  just putting this here for info. Mother of William is Ann here not Mary.

                  Name: William Hart
                  Gender: Male
                  Baptism Date: 1828 23rd January
                  Baptism Place: Hereford, St.Peter, Hereford, England
                  Father: William Hart
                  Mother: Ann
                  FHL Film Number: 1041602
                  Reference ID: - 2:2W727WP

                  Could be that the Mary on censuses was William the Elder's 2nd marriage ???? Or Mary A M is calling herself Ann.
                  Last edited by Katarzyna; 07-10-15, 18:47. Reason: more info
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                  • #12
                    Just wondering where you got the info that William b 1827 was the father of William Augustus b 1844. Unable to find William on any census either. Haven't looked for a death yet.

                    Have you considered that William Augustus may be the son of Eliza - she was age 15 - 19 on 1841 census with her parents William and Mary.
                    Kat

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                    • #13
                      Hi Kat, the marriage certificate for William Augustus to Ann Jennings in 1873 gives his father as William Hart Occupation Grinder.

                      I did not know that the grandparents had a child of their own in 1841 - haven't seen my friend yet to tell her about this - it is certainly possible that she was William's mother.

                      Had a brief look earlier for a death but no success.

                      How did you find that Birth record? I do wish they hadn't named son after father so often - it makes our lives very difficult.

                      Hartist

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                      • #14
                        That one is from Family search but it's also on freebmd
                        Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
                        Births Mar 1844
                        Hart William Augustus Hereford 26 159
                        Kat

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                        • #15
                          Originally posted by Hartist View Post

                          I did not know that the grandparents had a child of their own in 1841 - haven't seen my friend yet to tell her about this - it is certainly possible that she was William's mother.
                          As there are no relationships given in 1841 census it was just a guess on my part. She could be a niece for example - we don't know.

                          Cannot get onto Ancestry tonight - it appears there are problems.
                          Last edited by Katarzyna; 07-10-15, 22:29.
                          Kat

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                          • #16
                            Hi Kat, massive thanks for your help with this, I will pass it on to my friend asap.

                            Hartist

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                            • #17
                              Hi all, my friend ordered the birth certificate for William Augustus Hart - Kat was spot on - he was indeed the son of Eliza Hart. Unfortunately no father's name.
                              My friend is now on here under the name Bergerac.

                              Hartist

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