Gilfoyle family

[mancunianred]

After a rather long hiatus from the forum and also the genealogical aspects of life, I have come back and decided to further my quest for answers to my family tree. This side is my maternal side of the family and it goes like this.

My late mother was Ann Maureen England (née Gilfoyle) and she was born to a Mr Thomas Gilfoyle and Ethel Watson. Thomas Gilfoyle was the son of the late William Henry Gilfoyle and Mrs Emily Jane Roden. I think that much is pretty certain. However, I have run into a slight problem in that there were quite a few gilfoyles in the Chorlton/Ancoats/Gorton areas of Manchester in the 1800s and it seems that most of them came over after 1841 since they are not listed in the 1841 census at all. The problem I have is that the father of William Henry Gilfoyle (né 1866 in Manchester) is Thomas Gilfoyle. However, it seems that, if I have got this correct, married not once, but twice. The first time to a Mary Ann Bell and secondly, to her sister Eliza Gilfoyle later on. Can anyone confirm this please? I would be most grateful. Secondly, I also have a problem with Emily Jane Roden and it seems from reading the banns from Manchester, she is from the Wrexham area and her father was Edward Roden, is there any way of confirming this too. For information, she married someone else and became a Fanning so, for her second marriage, she would be called Emily Jane Fanning, and I am not too sure if the banns exist in this case. Many, many thanks for your help in this matter. Have a fantastic evening and it is great to be back after such a long layoff.
;D

[Sylvia C]

Some dates help!!


Are these correct


Ann Maureen Gilfoyle
Birth 26/9/1939, Manchester, Lancashire
Death 09/02/2013, Telford, Shropshire


Thomas Gilfoyle
Birth 3 Dec 1907, Chorlton, Lancashire
Death Jun 1973, Manchester, Lancashire


Ethel Watson
Birth 13 Aug 1904, Openshaw, Manchester
Death Mar 1983, Manchester, Greater Manchester, England


william gilfoyle
Birth 1866, Manchester, Lancashire
Death1926, South Manchester, Lancashire


Emily Jane Roden
Birth 1864, Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
Death 1942, Manchester, Lancashire

Married Henry James Fanning, 1882, Chorlton, Lancashire
Married William Gilfoyle, 1902, Chorlton, Lancashire

Henry James Fanning died 1899


From this, you want to know

1. You think the father of William Henry Gilfoyle (né 1866 in Manchester) is Thomas Gilfoyle. However, it seems that, if I have got this correct, that Thomas married not once, but twice. The first time to a Mary Ann Bell and secondly, to her sister Eliza Gilfoyle later on. Can anyone confirm this please? I would be most grateful.

2. I also have a problem with Emily Jane Roden and it seems from reading the banns from Manchester, she is from the Wrexham area and her father was Edward Roden. Can anyone confirm this


First off .............. have you looked at lancs opc?

[Sylvia C]

William Henry Gilfoyle was born in 1868 NOT 1866 as you posted


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: William Henry Gilfoyle
Registration Year: 1868
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Chorlton
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 599


the way to be certain of his parents is to buy that birth certificate

[Sylvia C]

This looks like William Henry in 1871

1871 Census

Name Age
Thomas Gilfoyle 55 b.ca 1816, Ireland, Labourer (Iron)
Eliza Gilfoyle 38 b.ca 1833, Ireland
Thomas W Gilfoyle 19 b.ca 1852, Manchester, Lancashire
James J Gilfoyle 17 b.ca 1854, Manchester
William H Gilfoyle 2 b.ca 1869, Gorton, Lancashire
John F Gilfoyle 1 Month b.ca 1871, Gorton,

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1871&h=16691530&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t63225295_p40108982816_kpidz0q3d40108982816z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid

[Sylvia C]

from ancestry

These look like the two marriages of Thomas Gilfoyle ......


Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral)

Name: Mary Ann Belle
[Mary Ann Bell]
Age: 28
Birth Year: abt 1827
Marriage Date: 23 Jul 1850
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: Thomas Bell
Spouse's Name: Thomas Gilfoyle
Spouse's Age: 23
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Gilfoyle
Archive Roll: 718

from image:-

Thomas
Bachelor
Occupation:- Beerseller
Address:- 1 Eveay (??sp) Street
Father occupation:- Pensioner

Mary Ann
Spinster
no occupation shown
Address:- 25 Medlock Street, Hulme
Father occupation:- Smith

Witnesses:- Wesley (??) Gilfoyle and Eliza Gilfoyle



Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral)

Name: Thomas Gilfoyle
Age: 37
Birth Year: abt 1819
Marriage Date: 25 May 1856
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: Thomas Gilfoyle
Spouse's Name: Eliza Bell
Spouse's Age: 22
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Bell
Archive Roll: 724

from image ....

Thomas
Widower
Occupation:- Carter
Address:- 25 Kirk Street, Ancoats
Father occupation:- Joiner

Eliza
Spinster
no occupation given
Address:- 25 Kirk Street, Ancoats
Father occupation:- Blacksmith

Witnesses:- Thomas Gilfoyle and Elizabeth Lees (her mark)

[Sylvia C]

This looks like Thomas and Mary Ann in 1851, living in the same house as his father and family, and 2 other lodgers

Name Age
Thomas Gilfoyle 53 b.ca 1798, County Kilkenny Ireland, Pensioner
Mary Gilfoyle 50 b.ca 1801, County Kilkenny
William Gilfoyle 30 b.ca 1821, County Kilkenny, Son, Labourer
John Gilfoyle 20 b.ca 1831, County Kilkenny, Son, Labourer
John Gilfoyle 22 b.ca 1829, County Kilkenny, Son, Labourer <<<<<<<< I think this is a "no name given" rather than a second "John"
Eliza Gilfoyle 28 b.ca 1823, County Kilkenny, Daughter, Silk Weaver
Mary Ann Gilfoyle 16 b.ca 1835, County Kilkenny, Daughter, Silk Weaver
Thomas Gilfoyle 32 b.ca 1819, County Kilkenny, Beer Seller
Mary Ann Gilfoyle 23 b.ca 1828, Wexford, Ireland

Address:- 10 Every Street, Manchester

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=uki1851&gss=angs-d&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&gsfn=tho*&gsfn_x=1&gsln=gilfoyle&gsln_x=1&mswpn__ftp_x=1&msbdy_x=1&msbdp=5&MSAV=2&MS_AdvCB=1&msbdy=1816&msbpn__ftp=Ireland&msbpn=3250&msbpn_PInfo=3-|0|1652381|0|3250|0|0|0|0|0|0|&msbpn_x=1&msbpn__ftp_x=1&gskw_x=1&_83004002_x=1&cpxt=1&cp=11&catbucket=rstp&pcat=35&fh=0&h=11605532&recoff=6+7&ml_rpos=1

[Olde Crone Holden]

I see Sylvia has done the work, but just as a clincher, lol:

Births 1863
Eliza Jane Gilfoyle
Mary Ann Gilfoyle, mmn Bell.

They are twins. Eliza died 64, Mary 65.

Bit more:

Thomas Wesley Gilfoile (sic) All Souls Ancoats
bp 19 October 1851 parents Thomas and Mary Ann, Beerseller of Ancoats.

Mary Ann died 1855 (29) Ancoats.

OC

[Sylvia C]

??????????


Thomas Wesley Gilfode

Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915

Name: Thomas Wesley Gilfode
Baptism Date: 19 Oct 1851
Parish: Ancoats, All Souls
Parish as it Appears: Manchester
Father's name: Thomas Gilfode <<<<<<<< it is Gilfoile on the image
Mother's name: Mary Ann Gilfoile
Reference Number: GB127.M405/1/1/1

Address:- Ancoats
Father occupation:- Beer Seller


Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1901 (Cathedral)

Name: James Joshua Gilfoyle
Birth Date: 21 Oct 1853
Baptism Date: 23 Apr 1854
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: Thomas Gilfoyle
Mother's name: Mary Ann Gilfoyle
Archive Roll: 769

Father occupation:- Carter
Address:- Manchester

[Sylvia C]

????

1861 Census

Name Age
Thomas Gelfoile 41 b.ca 1820, Ireland, Carter
Eliza Gelfoile 32 b.ca 1829, Ireland
James J Gelfoile 9 b.ca 1852, Manchester, Lancashire
Thomas N Gelfoile 7 b.ca 1854, Manchester
Abigail Gelfoile 6 b.ca 1855, Manchester

Address:- 38 Mayor Street, Newton

[Sylvia C]

a Public Family tree has information that looks to have come from Mary Ann's death certificate .....


Died 1855 15 Apr
42 Holland Street, Ancoats, Manchester Age 29


Abigail seems to be found only on the 1861 Census

I cannot find a birth registration, a baptism or a death for her.

I wonder if Mary Ann died in child birth?

[Sylvia C]

turning to Emily Jane Roden

1891 Census

Name Age
Henry J Fanning 37 b.ca 1854, Ormskirk, Lancashire, Railway Carriage Cleaner
Emily J Fanning 26 b.ca 1865, Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales, Warehouse Cleaner
Gertrude Fanning 6
Robert E Fanning 2
Albert Fanning 5/12

Address:- 61 Watson Street, Gorton, Manchester

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=uki1891&gss=angs-d&new=1&rank=1&gsfn=emily&gsfn_x=1&gsln=fanning&gsln_x=1&mswpn__ftp_x=1&msbdy_x=1&msbdp=5&MSAV=2&MS_AdvCB=1&msbdy=1864&msbpn__ftp=Wales&msbpn=5250&msbpn_PInfo=3-|0|0|3257|5250|0|0|0|0|0|0|&msbpn_x=1&msbpn__ftp_x=1&gskw_x=1&_83004002_x=1&cpxt=1&cp=11&catbucket=rstp&uidh=a72&pcat=35&fh=0&h=27020691&recoff=&ml_rpos=1

in 1901, she also says born in Wrexham, ca 1866

[Sylvia C]

Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930

Name: Emily Jam Roden
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1882
Parish: West Gorton, St Mark
Parish as it Appears: Gorton, St Mark
Father's name: Edward Roden
Spouse's Name: Henry James Faming
Spouse's Father's Name: Robert Niel Faming
Reference Number: GB127.M433/1/2/2

from image:-

Emily
Spinster
no occupation shown
Address:- Russell Street
Father occupation:- Lithographer

Witnesses:- John Stafford and Susanna Stafford (her mark)

[Sylvia C]

from lancashire bmd. It looks as though William and Emily married in a registry office.........

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1902
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference

GILFOYLE * William H FANNING Emily Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHO_RM/149/198
GILFOYLE * William H RODEN Emily Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library




If you do not have it, you should buy William and Emily's marriage certificate

Marriages Mar 1902 (>99%)

Fanning Emily Chorlton 8c 1401
Gilfoyle William Henry Chorlton 8c 1401



The only Emily Roden that I can find on ancestry (so far) has father EDWIN, and he is a Police Constable

[Sylvia C]

emily's birth registration???


Births Sep 1864 (>99%)
RODEN Emily Jane Wrexham 11b 350

[Sylvia C]

I have an Emily with father Edward ............ but father's occupation is Commercial Traveller not Lithographer, which is what she said on the marriage certificate to Henry

YEAH ...... trace back far enough, and ye shall find!!

He shows as Lithographer - Commercial Traveller on the 1861 Census.


So ..............

1861 Census
Name Age
William Ranford 50
Ann Ranford 45
Edward Roden 25 b.ca 1836, Liverpool, Lancashire, Boarder, Lithogrpaher - Commercial Traveller

Address:- Moorsfield Street, Claines, Worcestershire

It does not say whether he is Married or not


1871 Census
Name Age
Edward Raden 35 b.ca 1836, Liverpool, Lancashire, Commercial Traveller
Mary Raden 36 b.ca 1835, Birmingham
Edward Raden 12
Emily Raden 6 b.ca 1865, Winexham, Derbyshire <<< it should be Wrexham, Denbighshire
Robert Raden 25 <<<<<<<<<<< I think this should age 5
Sarah A Raden 2
John G Edwards 14 Nephew
Harriet Harris 60 Boarder

Address:- 53 Wilson Street, Chorlton on Medlock

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1871&indiv=try&h=5047394

It is Roden on the image


It looks as though Edward died in 1876 ...........

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915

Name: Edward Roden
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Registration Year: 1876
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 40
Registration district: Chorlton
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 408

and Emily was in service in 1881

Name Age
Henry R. Crabb 39
Grace M. Scantlebury 56
Frederick T. Crabb 37
Eleanor W. Crabb 13
John A. Crabb 11
Emily Roden 18 b.ca 1863, Wales, Domestic Servant

Address:- 9 Queens Ter, Clarence Rd, Moss Side

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&h=10478727&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t13563201_p-46911642_kpidz0q3d-46911642z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid

[Darksecretz]

Blimey Silvia! good call and well done I am certain that when MCR logs in that she'll be amazed at the info which has been found.

[mancunianred]

Blimey Silvia! good call and well done I am certain that when MCR logs in that she'll be amazed at the info which has been found.

I will respond once I get my genea head on later...;) And who is "she", may I ask...:p? "She", is a "he." No harm done. The work done by Sylvie has been fantastic, and I guess it takes a bit of savvy to finally find these things out, something that I haven't mastered as yet. When I do a search, I am always searching for the exact family name instead of using wildcards, and I think I'll be doing that from now on. My next step will be to get my parents marriage certificate, my mothers birth certificate, which will give me her parents exact details of my late grandparents and proceed from there. I will keep in touch in this thread. Many thanks everyone.

[mancunianred]

Furthermore, since there have been errors i.e. like my mothers date of death, I informed ancestry and they changed it so, I have informed them of the possible error for the name Edward Raden, when it should be Edward Roden. It really does help that others do the same, that way other people can find their ancestors more quickly.

[Darksecretz]

I will respond once I get my genea head on later...;) And who is "she", may I ask...:p? "She", is a "he." No harm done. The work done by Sylvie has been fantastic, and I guess it takes a bit of savvy to finally find these things out, something that I haven't mastered as yet. When I do a search, I am always searching for the exact family name instead of using wildcards, and I think I'll be doing that from now on. My next step will be to get my parents marriage certificate, my mothers birth certificate, which will give me her parents exact details of my late grandparents and proceed from there. I will keep in touch in this thread. Many thanks everyone.

ohhhhhhhhhhh I am SO sorry... I presumed you were female.. [didn't see a name in your signature that indicated either way so I used the wrong one..lol]

it might be that you could find marriage entries in the parish records [some Yorks/London/Birmingham] have been digitised and put online [Ancestry] not sure how long it is since you had a sub or was actively searching but over the last few years much more information has become available online.

[Darksecretz]

as a side note do your Tresidders come from Breage at all?