HI, i have hit a total brickwall with the research on ernest john leslie about 1863, i can find his wife alice and children in 1901/1911 census for dublin, but NOTHING on him, not in any of the said census records, where is he !!!, why cant i trace him !!!,his wife alice born 1865 dublin, his son earnest born 1891,his daughter eileen born 1896 dublin,.... all i know is his daughter married william j baverstock, they married feb 1922 in INDIA, is he a sailor, civil servant, how did his daughter get to india with him to get married !!!, i have tried FMP, FAMILY SEARCH ECT, but me i cant find antyhing, i am sure that he is NOT irish only his wife is irish !!!, can anyone please start me off on the ernest john leslie line, THANKYOU
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my name is mark and for the last three years i have been doing 4 family tree"s, tree 1 is PAGDEN my mothers line, the pagdens(pagdin) start life in gainsbrough, lincs, tree 2 is SPALDING my fathers line , the spaldings also start life in BURGH LE MARSH, lincs, these two familys , my immediate line i have as you see made into two tree"s for research purposes... tree 3 is my family tree which as normal is PAGDEN(PAGDIN)/SPALDING ,Tags: None
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First thing would be to establish where/when Ernest & Alice married ?
Tracing that will be much easier if you have Alice's maiden name (would be shown on any of the childrens birth certificates) ?
What actual evidence do you have of his existence, where does his birth date of 1863 come from ?Last edited by AntonyM; 28-03-15, 14:45.Retired professional researcher, and ex- deputy registrar, now based in Worcestershire. Happy to give any help or advice I can ( especially on matters of civil registration) - contact via PM or my website www.chalfontresearch.co.uk
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i have the marriage of his daughter eilleen, where he is listed as father of bride, i know that in 1901/1911 his wife alice and children are living in dublin, births in dublin, but never is he mentioned in the census, i cannot find a marriage for him and alice, i would have thought that he would have been in one of the two census records at leastmy name is mark and for the last three years i have been doing 4 family tree"s, tree 1 is PAGDEN my mothers line, the pagdens(pagdin) start life in gainsbrough, lincs, tree 2 is SPALDING my fathers line , the spaldings also start life in BURGH LE MARSH, lincs, these two familys , my immediate line i have as you see made into two tree"s for research purposes... tree 3 is my family tree which as normal is PAGDEN(PAGDIN)/SPALDING ,
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Birth and baptisms for Ernest John Leslie jnr and Eileen Victoria Leslie here: they were both born a year earlier than the dates you give in your first post.
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy....=d-511-2-1-017
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy....=d-511-2-1-027
Ernest John Leslie senior's occ is recorded as engineer in both which might account for his census absences. I couldn't find a marriage for him and Alice on this site unfortunately.
ChristineResearching:
HOEY (Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Tyrone and Strangford, Down)
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Researching:
HOEY (Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Tyrone and Strangford, Down)
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Originally posted by Karamazov View Post
ChristineResearching:
HOEY (Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Tyrone and Strangford, Down)
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Not having any luck with Ernest senior, but are you aware of Ernest jnr's WW1 service in the Royal Irish Rifles? It includes his wife/marriage details:
ChristineResearching:
HOEY (Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Tyrone and Strangford, Down)
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thankyou ALL , yes correct to those who found the prison sentence, also to the WW1 record for junior ernest , eilleen did marry BANGALOR ,INDIA 1922, i appreciate all that you all have found, the ernest senior is proving elusive so far, his family line is the one i am after, i am sure ernest senior for some reason does not pop up in a census for what reason !!! , if i find him i should be able to start a trace on his family line ( i hope).......... thankyoumy name is mark and for the last three years i have been doing 4 family tree"s, tree 1 is PAGDEN my mothers line, the pagdens(pagdin) start life in gainsbrough, lincs, tree 2 is SPALDING my fathers line , the spaldings also start life in BURGH LE MARSH, lincs, these two familys , my immediate line i have as you see made into two tree"s for research purposes... tree 3 is my family tree which as normal is PAGDEN(PAGDIN)/SPALDING ,
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Originally posted by mark anthony View Postthankyou ALL , yes correct to those who found the prison sentence, also to the WW1 record for junior ernest , eilleen did marry BANGALOR ,INDIA 1922, i appreciate all that you all have found, the ernest senior is proving elusive so far, his family line is the one i am after, i am sure ernest senior for some reason does not pop up in a census for what reason !!! , if i find him i should be able to start a trace on his family line ( i hope).......... thankyou
You may need to trace more on Alice to see if that gives any clues as to her movements and where she might have been when they married if it doesn't come up in Dublin records.
Unless he was born in UK there are no other census records to help you.
I see on ScotlandsPeople that there are several Ernest Leslie births so it may be a Scottish name.
I see on the Indian marriage record for Eileen that her father's name is noted as Stuart John Leslie.
MargaretLast edited by margaretmarch; 29-03-15, 14:18.
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Originally posted by margaretmarch View Post
I see on the Indian marriage record for Eileen that her father's name is noted as Stuart John Leslie.
Margaret
I noticed that too via the Familysearch link earlier in the thread but have looked at the original image on Findmypast - her father's name is definitely Ernest John Leslie and transcribed as such on FMP. The familysearch transcription is pretty dire for the groom's name too!
ChristineResearching:
HOEY (Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Tyrone and Strangford, Down)
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yes thankyou, i have seen two variations of the marriage of his daughter on one it says stuart and on the other it says ernest, so i am thinking this an error in transcribing as the living family members from the baverstocks (the family she married into) insist he was called ERNEST, on each marriage cert the name baverstock is also transcribed wrong as bauerstockmy name is mark and for the last three years i have been doing 4 family tree"s, tree 1 is PAGDEN my mothers line, the pagdens(pagdin) start life in gainsbrough, lincs, tree 2 is SPALDING my fathers line , the spaldings also start life in BURGH LE MARSH, lincs, these two familys , my immediate line i have as you see made into two tree"s for research purposes... tree 3 is my family tree which as normal is PAGDEN(PAGDIN)/SPALDING ,
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just an update, i am no proffesional but im begining to think that ernest john maybe wrong but also correct for the reasons that follow 1 i can find no records for ernest john but there are records for john ernest , in travel, census, marriage ect, 2 i know he travelled to india(or for some reason he was in india) for his daughter eileens wedding, there is a travel record( 2 in total) for john ernest to india(FMP), i know he was an engineer(is this why he is in india) by occupation, 3 according to surname origins the surname LESLIE is scottish, so could be that is where his origins lie !!!!!, 4 i know alice died around 1922 before the daughters marriage in india as it says on the marriage that ernest john or john ernest is widowed, 5 maybe him and alice never actually married, 6 why is the daughter eileen in india to get married unless she was resident/working in india with her father!!!!, as her husband william is serving in the forces in india (rank quartermaster seargent) so surely they must have met and married in india because thats were they were residing for whatever reasons. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! signed .. still confusedmy name is mark and for the last three years i have been doing 4 family tree"s, tree 1 is PAGDEN my mothers line, the pagdens(pagdin) start life in gainsbrough, lincs, tree 2 is SPALDING my fathers line , the spaldings also start life in BURGH LE MARSH, lincs, these two familys , my immediate line i have as you see made into two tree"s for research purposes... tree 3 is my family tree which as normal is PAGDEN(PAGDIN)/SPALDING ,
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Originally posted by mark anthony View Postjust an update, i am no proffesional but im begining to think that ernest john maybe wrong but also correct for the reasons that follow 1 i can find no records for ernest john but there are records for john ernest , in travel, census, marriage ect, 2 i know he travelled to india(or for some reason he was in india) for his daughter eileens wedding, there is a travel record( 2 in total) for john ernest to india(FMP), i know he was an engineer(is this why he is in india) by occupation, 3 according to surname origins the surname LESLIE is scottish, so could be that is where his origins lie !!!!!, 4 i know alice died around 1922 before the daughters marriage in india as it says on the marriage that ernest john or john ernest is widowed, 5 maybe him and alice never actually married, 6 why is the daughter eileen in india to get married unless she was resident/working in india with her father!!!!, as her husband william is serving in the forces in india (rank quartermaster seargent) so surely they must have met and married in india because thats were they were residing for whatever reasons. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! signed .. still confused
Is it possible Alice and JE/EJ married in India? Maybe he was born there?
Margaret
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Hello Mark
I am not sure why you think that Ernest John was in India at the time of Eileen's marriage and is recorded as a Widower. I note that the FMP image shows her husband- to- be as a Widower. Do you have another mc with the signature of Ernest John.
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I have a relative who too married in India in 1916. She died there also. She married a Corporal in the Army I have often wondered how she came to be out there - whether she had some sort of employment - but I am sure that her father never left the home town from where he was born.
I note that on the son's Army papers, he gives his mother Alice Leslie as next of kin, later adding his wife. This seems unusual unless of course his father Ernest John Leslie was deceased at the time or the parents never married.
Not much help I am afraid in tracking down your Ernest John Leslie but maybe as has been said the dc of Alice may throw up some clues.
VeraLast edited by vera2013; 05-04-15, 00:56.
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Or maybe not
Even today, Irish death records do not usually include a maiden name for married women or date of birth for the deceased
VeraLast edited by vera2013; 05-04-15, 01:30.
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I noticed on the baptism record that Karamazov put up on post 5, that the surname for Ernest John bap 1890 had been changed from Lesware to Leslie
There is this marriage in Dublin of an Ernest John Lesware in 1885 of 164 Capel Street to Emily Margaret Fisher. Ernest John is an Engineer. Wonder if there is any connection. Perhaps something for the back burner. That Capel Street rings a bell
VeraLast edited by vera2013; 05-04-15, 13:21.
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Ernest Lesware can be found on the Irish 1901 and 1911 census with wife Emily. They had been married for 25 years and were childless.
If you had a signature for Ernest John from Eileen Victoria's marriage cert, you could compare with the signatures of the Ernest Lesware m to Emily and the 1911 census.
Maybe he was having children with Alice but unable to marry.
Vera
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