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    evening folks,

    I have been trying [and failing miserably] to untie this problem, I wonder if any of you could please see what I can't

    I have Christopher G POOLE b. 1885 Birmingham, Warks, England.

    He marries

    NAME: Catherine Frances Cane
    GENDER: Female
    AGE: 20
    BIRTH DATE: 1884
    MARRIAGE DATE: 16 Nov 1904
    MARRIAGE PLACE: Birmingham, Warwick, England
    FATHER: John Cane
    SPOUSE: Christopher George Poole
    FHL FILM NUMBER: 1545601
    REFERENCE ID: p 176 n 351



    They have 9 children and I have them in the 1911 census http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...26pgplz0q3dpid [Catherine now calls herself Caroline]

    ***********now Catherine/Caroline dies in 1927


    Christopher marries again to Caroline Cotton 1903-1980


    NAME: Christopher George Poole
    GENDER: Male
    BIRTH YEAR: abt 1887
    MARRIAGE DATE: 21 Apr 1930
    MARRIAGE AGE: 43
    MARRIAGE PLACE: Birmingham, St Jude, Warwickshire, England
    SPOUSE: Caroline Cotton
    SPOUSE GENDER: Female
    SPOUSE MARRIAGE AGE: 25
    FATHER: Frederick Thomas Poole
    SPOUSES FATHER: Frederick Cotton





    **********what is confusing me is that I can't figure out where Catherine is before her marriage, the only one I can spot isn't a Catherine but a CARRY [Carrie]

    1901: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...try&h=16207250

    1911:http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...&rhSource=7814

    I did have a very old thread about this but I don't think that was the right family: http://www.familytreeforum.com/showt...r+George+Poole

    I cannot find a birth for Catherine Frances Cane or find her in the census I have looked also for a bapt but can't spot anything..

    [not having a very good day really!]
    Julie
    They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

    .......I find dead people

  • #2
    1891 census as Kain...http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/65...l=ReturnRecord

    She is Caroline again. Father's profession matches the marriage cert, so I think you've got the right one. I can't even see births registered, let alone baptisms.
    Rick

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    • #3
      NAME: Carolina Frances Kain
      GENDER: Female
      BIRTH DATE: 9 Nov 1885
      BAPTISM DATE: 29 Nov 1885
      BAPTISM PLACE: Birmingham, Warwick, England
      FATHER: Joannis Kain
      MOTHER: Emmae Bittley Kain
      FHL FILM NUMBER: 1999524
      Kat

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Katarzyna View Post
        NAME: Carolina Frances Kain
        GENDER: Female
        BIRTH DATE: 9 Nov 1885
        BAPTISM DATE: 29 Nov 1885
        BAPTISM PLACE: Birmingham, Warwick, England
        FATHER: Joannis Kain
        MOTHER: Emmae Bittley Kain
        FHL FILM NUMBER: 1999524
        Well found Kat !! I thought to search for Kain, but not for latinised forenames I take it that's a Catholic baptism.
        Rick

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        • #5
          Sorry I forgot to add the source:
          Source Information
          Ancestry.com. England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
          Original data: England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.

          I don't understand their sources and it really does annoy me. What do they mean by database online? Why don't they say what the sources are ???
          Kat

          My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012

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          • #6
            Oh no she's Catherine again!!!

            Kain Catherine June 1885 Birmingham 6d 89
            Last edited by Katarzyna; 30-01-15, 22:41.
            Kat

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Rick View Post
              1891 census as Kain...http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/65...l=ReturnRecord

              She is Caroline again. Father's profession matches the marriage cert, so I think you've got the right one. I can't even see births registered, let alone baptisms.
              thanks Rick you are a star :smilee:

              Originally posted by Katarzyna View Post
              NAME: Carolina Frances Kain
              GENDER: Female
              BIRTH DATE: 9 Nov 1885
              BAPTISM DATE: 29 Nov 1885
              BAPTISM PLACE: Birmingham, Warwick, England
              FATHER: Joannis Kain
              MOTHER: Emmae Bittley Kain
              FHL FILM NUMBER: 1999524
              blimey Kat thank you!! I have been trying to find something all evening and you come up trumps Brilliant!! thank you very much

              I am gonna have to call it a night my eyes are really sore. I am very grateful for the help :smilee:
              Julie
              They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

              .......I find dead people

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Katarzyna View Post
                Oh no she's Catherine again!!!

                Kain Catherine June 1885 Birmingham 6d 89
                tell me about it..lol.. wish she'd make her mind up!
                Julie
                They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                .......I find dead people

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Katarzyna View Post
                  Sorry I forgot to add the source:
                  Source Information
                  Ancestry.com. England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
                  Original data: England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.

                  I don't understand their sources and it really does annoy me. What do they mean by database online? Why don't they say what the sources are ???
                  The "Select" databases on Ancestry are the indexes from the LDS available on familysearch.org (i.e. it's from the IGI). I looked up the batch number from the familysearch record but it doesn't identify which church it beoings to.
                  Rick

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                  • #10
                    Just checked it out from a different route and it comes from Community Indexed IGI as opposed to the Community Contributed IGI (??)

                    If I remember rightly you could check out the batch nos against churches on Hugh Wallis Index. Will have a look on there if it still exists. Years since I've been on there!
                    Last edited by Katarzyna; 30-01-15, 23:34.
                    Kat

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                    • #11
                      Nope - not on Hugh Wallis :(
                      Kat

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Katarzyna View Post
                        Nope - not on Hugh Wallis :(
                        This site is great for IGI batch numbers, but doesn't identify where that particular batch comes from.........http://www.archersoftware.co.uk/igi/index.htm
                        Rick

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                        • #13
                          Beware - not all Latin records are RC, some of the very high Anglican churches also recorded in Latin until very recently (and for all I know, still do!)

                          I used to know my way blindfold round the familysearch site and I could always easily identify a source and then judge whether it was reliable or not. The new system has me completely baffled and I wonder in my darkest moments whether they have done this deliberately!

                          OC

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Olde Crone Holden View Post
                            Beware - not all Latin records are RC, some of the very high Anglican churches also recorded in Latin until very recently (and for all I know, still do!)

                            I used to know my way blindfold round the familysearch site and I could always easily identify a source and then judge whether it was reliable or not. The new system has me completely baffled and I wonder in my darkest moments whether they have done this deliberately!

                            OC
                            I was thinking that it still could be a normal baptism [ie not RC] not sure about FS now, and since they 'took over' Hugh wallis site I haven't used that in a loooong while.
                            Julie
                            They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                            .......I find dead people

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                            • #15
                              I remember one time I had a link to google books that were all bmd books but it has been years since I used it so maybe its worth a google for baptisms for the area you need to see if it comes up, I think it was held at a University in Canada and put on line.

                              Edna

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Darksecretz View Post
                                I was thinking that it still could be a normal baptism [ie not RC] not sure about FS now, and since they 'took over' Hugh wallis site I haven't used that in a loooong while.
                                Bingo - it is RC - film number 1999524 contains Church records for St. Chad's Cathedral, Birmingham, 1807-1952
                                Rick

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by clematised View Post
                                  I remember one time I had a link to google books that were all bmd books but it has been years since I used it so maybe its worth a google for baptisms for the area you need to see if it comes up, I think it was held at a University in Canada and put on line.

                                  Edna
                                  Thanks Edna will have a look


                                  Originally posted by Rick View Post
                                  Bingo - it is RC - film number 1999524 contains Church records for St. Chad's Cathedral, Birmingham, 1807-1952
                                  brilliant Rick, I have seen pictures of st Chads and it looks like a mighty fine establishment!..
                                  Julie
                                  They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                                  .......I find dead people

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