new Zealand passenger list

[Sheiky]

I am looking for a WILLIAM ELWIN born 1853 in Norfolk England on the passenger lists to NZ, I have only found him up to the 1891 census in Norwich, he doesnt appear to be on 1901. I believe he emigrated to NZ but don't know exactly when. He was the son of JAMES ELWIN and MARY ANN ALTHORPE both from Norwich.

[Guest]

he wasnt a Reverend was he ? as there is a W Elwin born 1853 going to South Africa 4/5/1893 I cannot find one going to New Zealand who fits

[Sheiky]

I don't think so, believe he worked on the railways. Does it say if he was born in Norfolk? Maybe he went to New Zealand from south Africa? Where can I find this information or can you send it to me?

[maudarby]

Hi
This looks like your man.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=AS19021112.2.91&srpos=5&e=-------10--1----0william+elwin--

Moggie

[Sheiky]

Thanks Moggie yes that looks like him. What NZ sites can I get access to,to find out if he had children?
Sheila

[Koromo]

Index to NZ Births, Deaths & Marriages:

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/

Possibles
Marriage to Julia FROST in 1885

Children: with Julia as mother's given name
William Arthur Everitt ELWIN b. 1890
George Augustus Allthorpe ELWIN b. 1893
Evelyn Lilias Agnes ELWIN b. 1896

... and Frederick Willoughby ELWIN b. 1924

Cheers
K.

[Katarzyna]

This is the New Zealand page in FTF Reference Library.

[Koromo]

Index to NZ Births, Deaths & Marriages:

... and Frederick Willoughby ELWIN b. 1924

Frederick Willoughby ELWIN died in 1979. His entry in the deaths index is one of the few which gives his actual birth date of 4 September 1897. Don't know why his birth is listed on the births index as 1924 — maybe he had to be re-registered in 1924 for some reason.

[Sheiky]

Thank you Kat and Koromo,
I will have a look at these sites very helpful

[Richard in Perth]

I wonder if this is his immigration - no age given, unfortunately, and I don't know why he would have added a middle name, but this one was from Norfolk and the date fits with the marriage and births that Koromo found above:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FSBW-32S

New Zealand, Archives New Zealand, Passenger Lists, 1839-1973
Name: Wm Geo Elwin
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 16 May 1883
Event Place: Hawkes Bay, New Zealand
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Nationality: Norfolk
Occupation: Warehouseman
Departure Date: 1883
Arrival Port: Hawkes Bay
Arrival Place: Hawkes Bay
Digital Folder Number: 004412295 , Image Number: 00011

[Sheiky]

Thanks Richard, that could be him, the birth index over here doesn't give him a middle name, I don't have the birth certificate. On 1881 census here he was listed as a Railway checker. There is some records on ancestry for him possibly for immigration and electoral rolls,but I don't have the subscription for worldwide.

[Richard in Perth]

Oh and I just checked the image, which is available for free on familysearch - his age is on the image, given as 28 which gives an approx birth year of 1855 (so that seems to fit with your man also). Image: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3....5-7?cc=1609792

[Richard in Perth]

In case you don't have it already, his baptism is on FreeReg. No middle name given at baptism, but I suppose he could have added one later in life!

County Norfolk
Place Norwich
Church St James with Pockthorpe
RegisterNumber 632
DateOfBirth 06 Feb 1853
BaptismDate 06 Mar 1853
Forename William
Sex M
FatherForename James
MotherForename Mary Ann
FatherSurname ELWIN
MotherSurname
Abode Otp
FatherOccupation Baker
Notes
FileNumber 3362


... and the image of the above baptism is on familysearch: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3....59202,30145901

[Sheiky]

Thank you,I have his baptism and birth records and if you follow the line along on passenger list it says Auckland and not Hawkes Bay. Which would fit in with the marriage record somebody else has found and births of children. Also the electoral rolls I said about were Auckland.
I am so pleased I found this site ,I have had more success in 2 days than I have in ages.
Thank you everybody.
Sheila

[Sheiky]

I am a bit confused now, it sounds like it could be my WILLIAM ELWIN on Papers past in Memoriam post. Died in 1899. But it seems like he had another child in 1924 a FREDERICK WILLOUGHBY ELWIN.

[maudarby]

Frederick Willoughby ELWIN died in 1979. His entry in the deaths index is one of the few which gives his actual birth date of 4 September 1897. Don't know why his birth is listed on the births index as 1924 — maybe he had to be re-registered in 1924 for some reason.

Hi Sheila
Koromo posed this question when she found his death entry.
Frederick Willoughby Elwin was first listed as eligible to vote in Auckland in 1919 & he is also listed in the New Zealand Army WW1 Nominal Rolls 1914-1918. I don't have the necessary sub to Ancestry to see what other info these records contain.
Moggie

[maudarby]

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=AS19280725.2.166.6&srpos=24&e=-------10--21----0frederick+elwin--

A very detailed account of Evelyn's wedding in 1928. She was said to be the 2nd daughter of Mrs J Elwin & right at the bottom it notes the sister of the bride as Mrs F Lincoln.
Moggie

[Richard in Perth]

Anyway, Frederick must have been born prior to 1914 otherwise his birth registration would not be available on the NZ BDM site, which has a cut-off of 100 years for births. In fact, on this BDM site you can put a range for the exact date of birth and you will only get a "hit" if the date falls within this range (even though the index does not explicitly show the actual date). Therefore you can use this feature of the site to "test" for actual dates. If you do this for Frederick, searching from date 04/09/1897 to date 04/09/1897, you get a hit which tells you that this was his birthdate (which is also confirmed by the death registration in this case).

Incidentally, you can use this feature of the site to work out the exact date of any BDM event in the index, by gradually decreasing the range of dates until you narrow down to the exact day. This feature also works for the Queensland and New South Wales BMD sites in Australia. Very useful!

[Sheiky]

Thank you Richard,I have just tried it,I see what you mean. I have just ordered a printout of WILLIAM ELWIN marriage and his death,hoping it might have more info on them.
Love the article on Evelyn's wedding, how detailed, don't have that over in England unless they are well to do people. Wondered why the mothers wore black?
Moggie,can I ask where did you see the NZ ww1 record and electoral roll?
Thanks again guys
Sheila

[maudarby]

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=nzelectoralrolls&so=2&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&MS_AdvCB=1&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=2&msT=1&gss=angs-g&gsfn=frederick+willoughby&gsfn_x=XO&gsln=elwin&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=521&cp=14

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=nznominalrollswwi&so=2&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&MS_AdvCB=1&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=2&msT=1&gss=angs-g&gsfn=frederick+willoughby&gsfn_x=XO&gsln=elwin&gsln_x=XO&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=521&cp=14

Hi Sheila
These are the 2 links. Someone with a worldwide sub to Ancestry may be able to give you the details.
Moggie