Searching for Florence

[Gordonhm]

Hi I am trying to find some information on my great grand mother Florence..

She was born in 1879 in Hendon.

Married Williem Edward Welch in 1900.

My search starts when she remarried Reginald Goodchild in 1918.

If anyone can help me with the family of Florence Goodchild I would be extremly greatful as I have hit the wall.

Thanks,

Gordon

[Richard in Perth]

I guess this is Florence & William in 1911:

Street address: 85 Granville Road, West Kilburn N W
William Edward Welch 30
Florence Welch 31
William Robert Welch 10
Florence Maud Welch 8
Alexander Fredick Welch 6
John Joseph Welch 3

The youngest son John Joseph was born in Quebec, Canada. I found his baptism in the Drouin Collection on Ancestry:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1091/d13p_1141d0671/8838472?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3findiv%3d1%26db%3ddrouinvitals%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn%3djohn%2bjoseph%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dwelch%26gsln_x%3dXO%26msbdy%3d1907%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msypn__ftp%3dCanada%26msypn%3d3243%26msypn_PInfo%3d3-%257c0%257c1652393%257c0%257c3243%257c0%257c0%257c0%257c0%257c0%257c0%257c%26msypn_x%3dXO%26msypn__ftp_x%3d1%26cpxt%3d0%26catBucket%3drstp%26uidh%3dnv2%26msbdp%3d2%26cp%3d11%26pcat%3d34%26fh%3d0%26h%3d8838472%26recoff%3d5%2b6%2b8%26ml_rpos%3d1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord

This gives Florence's maiden name as Luscombe.

This therefore would appear to be her first marriage:
Marriages Jun 1900
Luscombe Florence Paddington 1a 48
WELCH William Paddington 1a 48

... and her birth:
Births Sep 1879
Luscombe Florence Hendon 3a 142


Can't see any Goodchild children with mother's maiden name Luscombe, but since Florence would have been 39 by the time of her marriage to Reginald, they are unlikely to have had children.

This could be her death:
Deaths Jun 1926
Goodchild Florence 46 Watford 3a 854

There is another Florence Goodchild death of the right age in Buckinghamshire in 1950, however there is a probate record for that one and it states her husband as Frederick John Goodchild, so not your Florence. The only other Florence Goodchild deaths of the right age have middle names.

Not sure what other info you are seeking?

[Richard in Perth]

Florence & William's marriage:

Name: William Welch
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Age: 20
Spouse Name: Florence Luscombe
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Apr 1900
Parish: Paddington Emmanuel
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: Joseph Welch
Spouse Father: John Luscombe
Register Type: Parish Register

[Gordonhm]

Hi Richard, thanks for your interest you have confirmed all the info I have found on Florence, (unfortunately I am unable to access the link to Josephs baptism), my interest is that is the families belief that there was a son also Reginald to Florence and Reginald snr, however I have been unable to find any links to that. And if any other family may have been hiding.

[LangleyValeSue]

Just to add to Richard's post about Florence & William's marriage. Their address is listed as 186 Shirland Road and both their fathers were plasterers. William was a Builders Labourer. The actual marriage date was 27 May 1900.

Still looking for anything else on Florence.

[LangleyValeSue]

Florence was born on 4 June 1879 and baptised on 12 September 1880 at St Lukes, West Kilburn. Her parents were John Henry and Charlotte Luscombe.

[LangleyValeSue]

William, Florence & their three children (William, 5, Florence, 3 & Alexander, 1) sailed from Liverpool to Quebec on 7 June 1906 aboard the 'Canada', arriving on 15 June. William's occupation is listed as Farmer on the departure list and General Labourer on the arrivals list. It looks as though the words 'To be deported 810970' are written across the family on the arrivals list. Maybe someone else could check to see if I have read it correctly.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1263/IMCANQC1865_T487-00285/6976563?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dangs-c%26gsfn%3dflorence%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dwelch%26msbdy%3d1879%26msbpn__ftp%3dHendon%252c%2bMiddlesex%252c%2bEngland%26msbpn%3d85849%26msbpn_PInfo%3d8-%257c0%257c0%257c3257%257c3251%257c0%257c0%257c0%257c5275%257c85849%257c0%257c%26cpxt%3d0%26catBucket%3drstp%26uidh%3d9p9%26_83004003-n_xcl%3dm%26cp%3d0%26mssng0%3dwilliam%26mssns0%3dwelch%26pcat%3d40%26h%3d6976563%26db%3dCanadianPL%26indiv%3d1%26ml_rpos%3d3&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord

[Gordonhm]

Hi Sue, That is a very interesting piece of news, again I am not able to view link, if anyone can turn them into pdf files or jpg's i would be truly greatful

[Gwyn in Kent]

Just a thought incase when asked ' Previous surname? ' rather than maiden name.......

Name: Reginald J Goodchild
Mother's Maiden Surname: Welch
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1919
Registration district: Willesden
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 355


Gwyn

[Richard in Perth]

Ah, this might be what you're looking for. Seems like she put her maiden name down as Welch rather than Luscombe!

Births Mar 1919
Goodchild Reginald J Welch Willesden 3a 355

Edit: Gwyn beat me to it whilst I was on a phone call!

Also, there are two more children born 1911/14:

Births Dec 1911
Welch Louisa E Luscombe Willesden 3a 457
Births Mar 1914
WELCH Ada A Luscombe Willesden 3a 614

[Richard in Perth]

Now this one is interesting - from the Andrews Newspaper index on Ancestry:

goodchild.jpg


From my previous post, your Reginald did have a half-sister Ada, born in 1914!

[Richard in Perth]

He might have died in NSW, Australia. Unfortunately the deaths index for NSW only goes up to 1983, so can't confirm the parents names:

http://www.heavenaddress.com/Reginald-Joseph-Goodchild/122222/

Service was conducted at Macquarie Park Cemetery and Crematorium for
Reginald Joseph Goodchild on the 30 April 1984
Service: Burial
Location: GENLAWN/M31/0038

[Richard in Perth]

If that is him, he married Violet Viney Gibb in Chatswood NSW, in 1952. He appears on the NSW electoral rolls from 1954 and 1980. This seems to fit with the date of the "missing relatives" newspaper notice in 1949 - so he could have gone "awol" and ended up in Australia?

[Gwyn in Kent]

Possibly wife Violet, found by Richard..?

http://www.mundia.com/au/Person/3511705/144447221

[Richard in Perth]

Ada's marriage (as per the newspaper article):

Marriages Sep 1933
Chapman Robert E Welch Hammersmith 1a 759
Welch Ada A Chapman Hammersmith 1a 759


Gwyn - Violet died in 1998, she is buried in Macquarie Fields Cemetery with Reginald. Of course, we still don't know for sure that this is the right Reginald, though the dates and middle name seem to fit:

http://www.maccem.com.au/Deceased-Search.php

Surname: GOODCHILD
First Name: REGINALD
Other Names: JOSEPH
Type: Burial
Date of Death: 22/04/1984
Interred Date: 30/04/1984
Location Section Position
GENERAL LAWN M31 0038

Surname: GOODCHILD
First Name: VIOLET
Type: Burial
Date of Death: 28/08/1998
Interred Date: 01/09/1998
Location Section Position
GENERAL LAWN M31 0038


Oh - and in that newspaper article, it states he was at one time a resident of Watford, Herts - which is where the death of Florence Goodchild was in 1926 (see my earlier post).

[Richard in Perth]

I keep coming back to this one!

According to a tree on Ancestry, the Violet Viney Morley that Gwyn found on the Mundia site was the mother of Violet Viney Gibb (presumably the one who married Reginald Goodchild in 1952). According to this Ancestry tree, Violet junior was born 1914 and died 1990. No sources or details of any spouse, unfortunately.

[Richard in Perth]

(double post)

[Richard in Perth]

Maybe he was in the Merchant Navy prior to his disappearance in 1949? I found a couple of incoming passenger lists that could be him:

Name: Mr R J Goodchild
Birth Date: abt 1918
Age: 23
Port of Departure: Suez, Egypt
Arrival Date: 20 Oct 1941
Port of Arrival: Bristol, England
Ports of Voyage: Suez [Durban] [Cape Town] [Freetown]
Ship Name: Oronsay
(image states: merchant seaman, address: 66 Gladstone Rd, Wallasey L'pool)

Name: Reginald Goodchild
Birth Date: abt 1924
Age: 23 [actual age is 28 on image]
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 2 Oct 1947
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ship Name: Queen Mary
(image states: seaman, address: 4 Field Way, Stonebridge)


By the way, Stonebridge is next door to Willesden - Field Way is less than 1km from Curzon Crescent, which was his last known address according to the newspaper ad.

[Gordonhm]

You guys amazre me with your ablity to find these things, Richard from what I understand he was supposed to have been in the merchant navy, and my mum and her family lived in Field Way at about that time so IM thinking you have the right fellow. it would be great to be able to prove that the getleman that lived and married in Australia is the same person, who knows I might have family here that I never knew exsisted. Thanks to you and Gwyn and everyone one else that has inputted to this post. I am truly greatful for all your help.
Gordon

[Richard in Perth]

No worries Gordon. At worst, you may need to wait until January next year to find out if the NSW one was your man. Each January, the BDM index is extended by another year - deaths are currently shown to 1983, which means next year we will get deaths for 1984, and that should include this Reginald who died 22/4/1984 according to the cemetery record. The death entry should show his parents names (assuming they were known by the informant), so fingers crossed that they are what you're looking for! If you can't wait until then, you could always try to get someone in Sydney to check the grave for you, in case there's a headstone (with date of birth would be great!). You could also look in the Sydney newspapers at your local library for a death or funeral notice around the date of his death.

By the way, he appears on five electoral rolls on Ancestry. In 1954 he is at 26 Punch Street, Artarmon NSW - occupation fettler. In 1958, 1963, 1968 & 1980 he is at 211 Bungarribee Rd, Blacktown NSW - occupation railway employee.

Cheers,
Richard