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Nightryder
31-03-14, 10:14
The 1911 census gives my Juan Reibaldi as age 36 so born C 1875,he was born in France & has french Nationality but is a British resident, I have no idea where in France he was born & without that info cant find his birth or his parents, would he have been granted British residency after applying for it,filling out forms etc & if so does anyone know where I could start looking for this information.
jenn

AntonyM
31-03-14, 10:55
If he applied for naturalisation (which he may or may not have done), the records should be at The National Archives at Kew.

Nightryder
31-03-14, 11:54
Anthony, I tried the TNA but nothing comes up for any one with the name Reibaldi.
Jenn

AntonyM
31-03-14, 12:21
Try alternative spellings, but he may never have applied (most foreign born residents didn't). Other than that - you can try local newspapers for an obituary, and you should have his fathers name on his marriage certificate ?

Olde Crone Holden
31-03-14, 12:46
He may have been born in France but the name isn't French. Have you tried googling around the name?

What is his occupation in 1911?

OC

LangleyValeSue
31-03-14, 13:04
Ancestry have him transcribed as Reebaldia in 1901 census. Looking at the image that is how it is written. He is an Ice Cream vendor in 1901.

merleyone
31-03-14, 13:17
Juan Reibaldi, Ice Cream Vendor, is in Leicester in 1911 with his wife, Florence, and 5 children, one of whom is named Celesta. A Gustavo Reibaldi married at Pancras in June 1867, 1B 263, and one of the two possible spouses was a Celestine de Heer. Juan married Florence Smith at Leicester in Sept 1901, 7A 591. Sight of Juan's marriage certificate should show his father's name and if it is Gustavo, sight of his should show his father.

merleyone

margaretmarch
31-03-14, 13:42
Ancestry have him transcribed as Reebaldia in 1901 census. Looking at the image that is how it is written. He is an Ice Cream vendor in 1901.

Strikes me he is more likely to be Italian!!

Margaret

margaretmarch
31-03-14, 13:45
Here's a Juan Reibaldi marrying in 1901 to Florence Smith

Juan Reibaldi
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1901
Registration district: Leicester
Inferred County: Leicestershire
Volume Number: 7a
Page Number: 591

Margaret

margaretmarch
31-03-14, 13:53
For research in France I use this site http://www.genealogie.com/

There is a record for a Emile Reibaldi born 12 May 1864 in Cervione, Corse (Corsica)!! May not be connected but may give an area to search.

The record shows this man to be a Sergeant Major in the 13th Regiment of the Infantry de Ligne and shows his pension as granted at 900 per year starting 9 Nov 1889.

I can let you have the image if you wish.

Margaret

margaretmarch
31-03-14, 14:01
I wonder if his residency comes from the fact he married a British woman and they had children together.

Margaret

margaretmarch
31-03-14, 14:06
There are 2 trees on ancestry showing Juan but no parents.

Margaret

Olde Crone Holden
31-03-14, 19:01
I don't think residency was conferred by marrying a British FEMALE - women took on their husband's status at marriage. It is quite possible that "British resident" was what he thought the enumerator might like to hear, lol.

Corsica was in French hands at some point, so that fits nicely. I also wonder if the surname was a corruption of Garibaldi originally?

OC

susan h
31-03-14, 19:14
My husband is Italian and I've asked him about the name. Reibaldi is definitely an Italian surname and indeed my husband knows someone of this surname, however Juan is definitely not Italian but Spanish.

Here's a history of Corsica http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsica

margaretmarch
31-03-14, 19:19
I don't think residency was conferred by marrying a British FEMALE - women took on their husband's status at marriage. It is quite possible that "British resident" was what he thought the enumerator might like to hear, lol.

Corsica was in French hands at some point, so that fits nicely. I also wonder if the surname was a corruption of Garibaldi originally?

OC

Thanks. Didn't know about residency qualifications.

I quite liked the Corsican connection as I could see then where the Italian sounding name might come from.

But I agree with Susan H - Juan sounds more Spanish than anything else.

Margaret

Olde Crone Holden
31-03-14, 20:07
Portuguese would fit too.

OC

Janet
31-03-14, 20:16
I have a Swedish Great Uncle who married an English person and who has down Sweden as his place of birth on the 1911 Census, but also down as a British Resident. He was working here for many years, travelling aboad quite a lot but never became a naturalised English person, so there would be nothing at TNA unless naturalised. My Great Aunt married to this Swede is down as English, not Swedish and she married in France!!

But you may find something on passports on FMP, though passports were not obligatory until 1916 and I have never found anything on there myself.

Janet

susan h
31-03-14, 20:26
Portuguese would fit too.

OC

For what, OC?

Elaine
31-03-14, 20:54
Marriage to Florence is Register office, found a couple of baptisms

Baptism 08-Jun 1910 Reibaldi Antonio Born 19-Apr 1910 John Florence Smith
Leicester LEI Grove Street Leicester, St. Patrick, Royal East Street Roman Catholic

Baptism 01-Feb 1917 Reibaldi John Born 09-Jan 1917
(No mention of father)
Florence Smith Leicester LEI Abbey Street Leicester, Holy Cross Priory Roman Catholic

Olde Crone Holden
31-03-14, 21:02
Sorry, I meant the name Juan Reibaldi could be Portuguese, as there was a Portuguese connection with Corsica.

OC

Elaine
31-03-14, 21:09
Found some burials at Gilroes Cemetery

Grave I 124
REIBALDI Juan 65 55 Abbey Street Leicester 13-Mar 1937 Roman Catholic


Grave I 243
REIBALDI Anthony 3 Royal Infirmary Leicester 08-Sep 1913

REIBALDI Nellie 2 55 Abbey Street Leicester 07-Feb 1916

REIBALDI Beatrice Ellen 13 Royal Infirmary Leicester 04-Jul 1917

REIBALVI Celesta 9 Childrens Hospital, Mill Hill Lane Leicester 10-Nov 1917

Much later burial
I 243 JAYES Joseph 73 City Mental Hospital Leicester 21-Dec 1934

matrim
21-03-15, 20:08
Hello,

This chap is my wife's great Grandad. He was born in Corsica (bastia if I remember correctly, I have spent many happy times annoying my wife talking about her Napoleonic blood as that was where Napoleon was born/from - plus my wife's sister has contacted some ancient people there who remembered him several decades ago) and he stowed away to come to Britain. Corsica was under the French flag at the time. During world war I he appears to have served in the French army (again reinforcing the French Nationality) as the birth certificate of his son Juan (my wife's grandfather) lists his occupation as an Ice Cream Vendor and 'Private' 74th Infanterie 27 Compagne. Logically a French citizen would serve in the French army.

I don't know much else but my wife's family have researched in a lot more detail and can climb the tree higher plus will have a lot more information.

Feel free to contact if you want to get into email contact and I can put you in touch with my mother in law who has been researching her family tree and has garnered a lot of this information. We'd be curious to know what your interest is..

Nightryder
23-03-15, 09:47
Hi Matrim, Wow i thought Juan would be a brickwall forever & i would love to know more about him,sounds like he has quite a story to tell,
his daughter Elizabeth married Leonard Quilter who was my grandfathers brother.
il send you my email through private message.
Jenn

Nightryder
26-04-15, 02:08
Matrim, Did you get my private message with my email address.
Jenn