My grandmother Mary Bryce Saunders married George Alfred Jones, an army sergeant in 1892 in Kent. We know that they went to India as my aunt was born there in 1899, shortly before her father died. My problem is that there don't seem to be any previous children and instinct tells me that in those days there were normally children within a year or so of marriage. We don't know when the couple went to India and i can find no record of any births in either this country or India. I wonder if anyone has any suggestions?
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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGWV-346 Baptism of daughter
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X7VW-R91 not sure if this is your man
Edna
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https://familysearch.org/search/reco...ame%3Asaunders~
There may be some possibilities in these names, I don't have pay per view sites sorry
Edna
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Thanks Edna, the first link was indeed the correct people, namely my aunt Mabel. The second link couldn't have been him though as he died in India a few weeks after Mabel's birth. As George and Mary married in 1892 I am surprised that there were 7 years with no children.
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Originally posted by LilyB View PostThanks Edna, the first link was indeed the correct people, namely my aunt Mabel. The second link couldn't have been him though as he died in India a few weeks after Mabel's birth. As George and Mary married in 1892 I am surprised that there were 7 years with no children.
Margaret
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We actually know very little about George. I know that he was a colour sergeant and have his soldier number but can find no military records for him at all so have no idea where he was apart from the fact that he married in Folkestone in 1892, both he and his wife were in India in 1899 where Mabel was born, and he died up a mountain in India also in 1899. Mary went on to marry my grandfather and had 7 more children. I have no information on George's early life at all.
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His death (from FMP) is:
JONES George Alfred Indian Subcontinent Unknown 1899
Appears his regiment is unknown but is there any clue in the record or eve an account of his death in the papers?
The only Army service record with that full name old enough to marry in 1892 is:
JONES George Alfred 1867 Devonport, Devon WO96 Militia
Do you have this record? does the age at least tally with Mary?Last edited by Bertie; 11-03-14, 09:04.
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Is this him?
Name George Alfred Jones
Gender Male
Burial Date 04 May 1899
Burial Place Murree, Bengal, India
Death Date 03 May 1899
Death Place
Age 31
Birth Date 1868
Birthplace
Occupation Sergt Bedfordshire Regt
Race White
Marital Status Unknown
Spouse's Name
Father's Name
Father's Birthplace
Mother's Name
Mother's Birthplace
Indexing Project (Batch) Number B75065-3
System Origin India-EASy
GS Film number 512375
Reference ID D75065-3
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Mundia has a tree with very little details, but father noted as John, do from familysearch poss. are:
Name: George Alfred Jones
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 5
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Devonport
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Newport Pagnell
Sub-District: Fenny Stratford
Parish: Bletchley
County: Buckinghamshire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self John Jones M 36 Bletchley, Bucks
Wife Eliza Ann Jones F 33 Landport, Hants
Son George Alfred Jones M 5 Devonport
Daughter Louisa H Jones F 3 Woolwich, Kent
Daughter Eiza A Jones F 1 Bletchley, Bucks
Name: George A Jones
Age (Original): 15
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1866
Birthplace: Devonport, Devon, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: General Labourer Unemployed
Address: Duncombe St
Event Place: Fenny Stratford, Buckinghamshire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341358
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 1480 / 70
Page Number: 5
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head John Jones M 46 Bletchley, Buckinghamshire, England
Wife Eliza A Jones F 43 Landport, Hampshire, England
Son George A Jones M 15 Devonport, Devon, England
Daughter Louisa H Jones F 13 Woolwich, Kent, England
Daughter Sarah J Jones F 7 Bletchley, Buckinghamshire, England
Daughter Selina Jones F 5 Fenny Stratford, Buckinghamshire, England
Son William H Jones M 2 Fenny Stratford, Buckinghamshire, England
If so, likely birth is:
JONES George A Stoke D 5b 321 Q2 1866Last edited by Bertie; 11-03-14, 09:23.
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Hi Bertie. Yes i think that could be him. The only information i have on him are his marriage certificate and his death certificate. His marriage certificate states that he married Mary Brice Saunders on March 29th 1892 at the age of 24. His bride was 19. He is listed as a sergeant in the Bedfordshire regiment. Residence Cheriton and his father's name John Jones, a silversmith. I have not been able to find any definitive information on him or the rest of his family. The marriage took place in the Parish of Christchurch, Folkestone. Witnesses were Richard Saunders and Jane Elizabeth Turrell.
His death certificate states that he died on 4th May 1899 at Thobba, he was 31 years and 8 months. Rank Cr. Sergeant 1525. He died of pneumonia which ties in with what my mother always related to us. we know that Mary didn't make it to him before he died although she had been summoned. She had a very young baby and it was a difficult journey and she was too late. The informant of the death was Sd. H.P.O. Briers Major R.A.M.C i/c Station Hospital Thobba. The death was registered on 9th May 1899 at Mooltan and the officer making the return was Lieut. and A. Adjutant 1st Bn Bedfordshire Regiment.
I am not familiar with FIBIS, and have not found any relevant records on FMP so far although the one you state does sound as if it might be a possibility. George Jones seems to have been a very common name!
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Originally posted by Bertie View PostHis death (from FMP) is:
JONES George Alfred Indian Subcontinent Unknown 1899
Appears his regiment is unknown but is there any clue in the record or eve an account of his death in the papers?
The only Army service record with that full name old enough to marry in 1892 is:
JONES George Alfred 1867 Devonport, Devon WO96 Militia
Do you have this record? does the age at least tally with Mary?
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http://www.fibis.org/ Families In British India, you can use the search Box and add his name to see how many hits you get but all the hits may not find him
Edna
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The Jones family in Bucks look like a good bet as the father John Jones is a watch and clock repairer which would match the 'silversmith' occupation given by George on his marriage.
There are several trees on ancestry showing George and his family so might be worth contacting them to see what they know.
Margaret
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Hi LilyB - I don't understand what you mean by elusive - but there is nothing in FIBIS I could find but that's not a surprise to me. Otherwise, there seems to be lots of facts/leads on him and, at first glance, it all looks pretty sound. Just needs checking through and comparing with the documents you currently have
I would start by getting the service record I suggested to make sure this is the same chap in the Beds. Regiment: it may contain lots of useful, new and corrobating information.
What specifically are you not sure about?
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Hi Bertie,
How do i go about getting hold of the service record? I have looked at what's available on FMP and there doesn't seem to be any information that would link him with my grandmother.
By elusive i meant that i can't find anything that would prove that any of the information online relates to this particular man. If that is his army record it doesn't seem to be complete so there is no way of knowing if he is the right person. I do know that there was another George Alfred Jones in the army at a similar time and George Jones was a very common name.
I only have the death certificate and marriage certificate and these don't give that much information.
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See my post #9 which shows a service record for George Alfred Jones. You can get this from FMP if you already subscribe or for a few credits if you buy them. Alternatively SKS here may look it up for you. If this man is in the Bedford Regiment and is promoted to Sergeant and is based in India this is most likely your man especially if his number mstches. The record (probably 4 or more pages) should give details of ehere he served and his promotions. You should also have date and place of birth snd poss. more
See also my post on the burial. You can order a free copy of this from familysearch photoduplication
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