Deciphering help needed.

[cpdavis35]

Hi all,

I have a marriage bann that i need help with decifering some names from as i'm not sure what they say or who they are.

I have attached the part of the bann i need help with.

There are 4 names listed for witnesses. Herbert Charles Lawrence and J. W. Baglee i know who they are but it's the other 2 names that i have no clue with.

Thanks

[Vonny North West]

There R.Hywell -Rafter, the other Ada is the bride so her name should be written below the grooms name on the top two lines.
Vonny

[cpdavis35]

Thanks Vonny for the help.

The actual marriage is between Stephen Alger and Florence S Baglee in 1915. I've just done some digging and i now know who Ada is. Ada is Stephen's older sister with her married name as she married a year before her brother's marriage. The other name i can't pick up on the 1911.

[Night Owl]

I think its Hevyll-Rafter. There is a Robert Hevyll-Rafter on the Irish 1911 census and also on the Islington Electoral Registers

[Janet in Yorkshire]

Is it a third witness, or is it the name of the person officiating?

Jay

[grumpy]

Looks like Ada Oxborrow to me.

[Gwyn in Kent]

I think it is the person officiating at the marriage.
It is shown on Ancestry and he officiates at other marriages on that page.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1623/31280_198118-00338/3553766?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dLMAmarriages%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d0%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dms_db%26gsfn%3dsteven%26gsln%3dalger%26msgdy%3d1916%26dbOnly%3d_F00058A6%257c_F00058A6_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0005A5D%257c_F0005A5D_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0005A49%257c_F0005A49_x%26uidh%3d161&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

He may be the person in 1911 living with wife Fannie Maria in Fulham and shown as Robert Rafter, a clegyman born in Ireland.

[cpdavis35]

Thanks for the info Jackie and David. Yes it is definately Ada Oxborrow. (Ada Alger married Arthur Oxborrow in 1915).

Janet, i have no idea, i thought usually there were only 2 witnesses? but they had 3 plus the Rafter chap .

Thanks Gwyn in Kent, from what you said, he probably was the the officiating person.

[AntonyM]

Rafter is definitely the officiating minister - he has signed in the space and on the line specifically for that purpose - under the phrase "after Banns by me".

2 Witnesses is the legal requirement, but only as a minimum number - it isn't unusual to see 3, or occasionally 4, but there are only 2 spaces for them to sign, so they tend to squeeze the extra signatures in the empty space below the vicar's line.

[kylejustin]

i've had 6 wittnesses to one wedding! so it's just luck really. but definently the thrid signature is the minister.