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[Vonny North West]

You know when you haven't got all the full details about someone and just one thing drives you potty trying to find it? Well, I am having one of those moments! My uncles father married twice and it is the first wife I am having difficulty finding anything relating to her birth parents. Fanny Trass, supposedly born in Hazelbury Bryan Dorset in 1862/63. She married George Charles Upward in Hilton in Dorset on 09/01/1885. I have a copy of the marriage banns and then a copy of the wedding register, no father's name appears, which is no so unusual. I though I might be able to find her mother's name, no birth on FBMD. I have looked at http://www.opcdorset.org/ pages, the surrounding villages of Hazelbury Bryan, Hilton, Melcombe Horsey - in fact anywhere that she might be connected to. The only surname I have come close to finding on the list of census from these villages, checked 1871 and 1881, is the surname Trash. I have been on Ancestry and find my Past without any success. Anyone got any suggestions on how I might find this person's mother?
Vonny

[Katarzyna]

How about :

Fanny Jane Drake Traish
Female
7 Jun 1863
Haselbury-Bryan, Dorset, England
Mother. Elizabeth Traish

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&ssrc=pt_t66358124_p38147949454_kpidz0q3d38147949454z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q252c32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpidz0q252cpid_m1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-g&gsfn=Fanny&gsln=Tra*&msbdy=1862&msbpn__ftp=Hazelbury+Bryan%2c+Dorset++POSSIBLE&msrpn__ftp=Winterbourne+Whitchurch%2c+Dorset%2c+England&msgdy=1885&msgpn__ftp=Hilton%2c+Dorset%2c+England&msfns0=Trass&cpxt=1&catBucket=r&uidh=5u8&cp=11&mssng0=George+Charles&mssns0=Upward&mscng0=Alice&mscns0=Upward&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=56337462&db=FS1EnglandBirthsandChristenings&indiv=1&ml_rpos=23

[Elaine]

Are you looking at this one

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7619/DORRG10_1974_1978-0426/4358116?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1881%26h%3d3644065%26indiv%3dtry%26o_vc%3dRecord%253aOtherRecord%26rhSource%3d7619&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord

with Tucker's 1881 as well and in Hilton

[Elaine]

What's her address on the first marriage and who are the witnesses? Got a feeling it might help

[Katarzyna]

Martin Sampson and Louisa White

Address for Bride and Groom - Hilton

[Elaine]

Got to run this by you, David and Amelia Trash have a daughter Elizabeth

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=18530810

and the hint at the side is to Ann marrying a Tucker.....Tom Tucker 1874 and then an Elizabeth Trash marries 1867

[Elaine]

Thanks Kat, just found it, I was on IGI!

[Vonny North West]

Elaine, I have looked at your suggestions and yes I can go with them. I hadn't come across the Traish surname and it does make sense that it could well have been that surname originally. The first address I have for them is in 1891. They were living in Winterborne Whitchurch, at Upper Whatcombe Tything. On the marriage register the witnesses are Martin Sampson and Louisa White, I think Louisa White could have been a relative of the groom as his grandmother's maiden name was White. I think the one in Cheselbourne is too far away. The villages mentioned are all around Blandford Forum. On the marriage register her age is put at 22, so the 1863 date fits in nicely for her birth on the Ancestry record, trouble is on the register there is only her first name whereas on the Ancestry link there are 2 middle names being Jane and Drake. The Drake name features on the groom's side again, Mary Drake was his mother's mother, so could this be a link I wonder?
Vonny

[Elaine]

The 2 witnesses marry, the certificate is there

I looked at some of the marriages for David Trash's children and can't remember which one now...sorry it's late....but there is a Fannie Trash witness. Was looking at signatures since Fanny Trass's marriage is online. Getting a bit tired now and so to bed!

[Vonny North West]

Sleep tight, tomorrow is another day!
Vonny

[Vonny North West]

Morning everyone! Elaine, after a night of deliberation I am sure the birth registration you found must be correct so I am sticking with that. It is obvious she is illegitimate. The middle names, especially Drake, could point to her father, the Drake families feature heavily in the villages around the time. Fanny had a daughter with George Upward, she was named Alice Eliza, again this could be a clue pointing towards her grandmother Elizabeth? Fanny died at the age of 35 in Lymington Hampshire in 1898. Her daughter, aged 14 in 1901 was a kitchen maid in a large house, Armswood Towers, Armswood, Lymington. Her father in 1901 was living in Lymington and was lodging with a family until he married again in 1906. I did find a marriage for Alice Eliza for Jul. 1906 in Christchurch Hampshire but as yet not found who she married, just another one to solve!!
I did find the witnesses marriage - coincidence that Louisa White also didn't give a father's name on the register. Next project will be to find where Elizabeth Traish came from.
Thanks for helping.
Vonny

[Elaine]

Can't take the credit for the birth reg!
Good luck with it all Vonny

[Vonny North West]

I think I may have cracked this. I did discount Cheselborne as it is the other side of Dorchester, but I did keep it in mind. Everything seemed to centre around Hilton with Blandford the main town where BMD's would be registered. I found first the birth registered in Blandford in 1841 Oct.qtr. for Elizabeth Trash. The year of birth seemed about right. By chance I came across another birth register in Blandford in 1838 for William Trash. Fanny Trass/Trash had already been found on the 1871 census living as a lodger aged 7 with the Tucker family in Hilton, so I had to look at Hilton again. I went onto opcDorset.org, picked up the Hilton page and went though Baptisms 1813-1844, fingers crossed and hoping I would find Elizabeth. This is what I found:
Baptisms Hilton
Edward child of Nicholas & Sarah TRASH was baptised 09-Dec 1832
Philip child of Nocholas & Sarah TRASH was baptised 20-Jul 1834
Frances child of Nicholas & Sarah TRASH was baptised 15-May 1836
Phillis child of Nicholas & Sarah TRASH was baptised 20-May 1838
William child of Nicholas &Sarah TRASH was baptised 20-May 1838
Elizabeth child of Nicholas & Sarah TRASS was baptised 09-Jan 1842
Look at Elizabeth's surname, this must be when the name changed it's spelling in transcription? It must also indicate that I am now sure this is Fanny's mother. I also found the marriage of her parents in Hilton:
1832
07-Feb-1832; Nicholas TRASH & Sarah HANHAM
witnesses: Jemima TRASH, George HOUSE
I can't find the family on the 1841 anywhere locally, and with Ag. Labourers they moved to where the work was so they could be anywhere.
All the family names which have been associated with Fanny are to be found in Hilton at the time, Drake, White and Tucker. I even found a Louisa White who was Baptised in Hilton in February 1836 and both her parents are named, James and Elizabeth White. I wonder if they were friends?
Before this saga finishes, I did finally find a family named Trash on the 1871 census in Melcombe Horsey (the village George Charles Upward came from), and guess what? They came from Cheselborne! So it seems it is possible that Elizabeth's parents did come from Cheselborne at the end of the day.
Vonny