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    OH has a shoemaker called Humphrey Fowle in her tree and we could use some help in deciding whether some claims in some public trees on Ancestry are correct or not. Sorry, but there's quite a lot of information !!

    Humphrey Fowle (1788 Lewes, Sussex) and Catherine Ball (abt 1792, Middlesex) had their banns called three times in January 1819 at St John Hackney. The banns say they were batchelor and spinster and both of the parish. There's no record of a marriage taking place and I've gone through the images for that church on Ancestry to make sure it hadn't just been left out of the index.

    There are baptisms for the following children to Humphrey and Catherine:

    Sarah b1816 chr1833
    John Humphrey b1824 chr1825
    Humphrey b1827 chr1827
    Henry Richard b1829 chr1829
    Louisa abt 1833 chr1833

    We have also identified the following children from their marriages (with father Humphrey, a shoemaker):

    Edward abt 1819
    Harriet abt 1821
    Ann Maria abt 1823

    Here's the family in 1841 (not the best image): http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/89...l=ReturnRecord

    Edward is at the top of the previous page and Harriet (now married to John Thompson) is two houses before that. At the bottom of the page after Humphrey, there is a couple called Thomas and Susan Bond - more about them shortly. Sarah (married to Thomas Smith) is nearby in Hoxton.

    Now if that was all there was to it, you'd have the puzzle of Sarah born three years before the banns were called, her late baptism and a puzzle about the missing marriage. But there are quite a few trees which claim that Humphrey was previously married to Maria Tucker and that Sarah is actually her daughter. There is certainly such a marriage in Dec 1816 in Westminster, but Sarah was born in Nov 1816 according to her baptism.

    There are also two trees which claim another daughter, Susan 1816 for Humphrey and (confusingly) Catherine. Now there is a baptism for a Susan in 1819 (born the same year) in Deptford to a Humphrey and Maria Fowle, but he is an engineer. These trees claim that Susan is the wife of Thomas Bond from the 1841. I can't find a marriage to prove this one way or another, but in 1851, Humphrey and son Henry are visitors to the Bonds: http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/88...l=ReturnRecord

    Catherine died in Jan 1849 aged 56. We have never been able to find Humphrey in 1861 and he's in Hackney workhouse in 1871.

    What do people think - are we looking at one Humphrey or two here ?
    Rick

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    Is your link http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/89...l=ReturnRecord correct as the left hand page starts with John Brett and the right hand one is Chandler to ?? Webb.
    Margaret

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    • #3
      Originally posted by margaretmarch View Post
      Is your link http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/89...l=ReturnRecord correct as the left hand page starts with John Brett and the right hand one is Chandler to ?? Webb.
      Margaret
      Yes it is correct. Humphrey is about half way down the right hand page and is transcribed as Humphrey Paul. The image on FMP is much better and it actually says Fowl: http://www.findmypast.co.uk/CensusSh...37d5&desc=1841

      Where I've said previous or next page in the first post I mean image, in case that's confusing things.
      Last edited by Rick; 01-02-14, 21:48.
      Rick

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      • #4
        Hi Rick

        My first post so a quick intro, I am a direct decendent of Edward (Humphrey and Catherine son) and I am trying to build out the 1791 Humphrey Fowle's line and indeed his parents.

        I found this post most interesting but I am curious to know how the connection to Humphrey Fowle born 1788 in Lewes was made ?

        Thanks
        John

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        • #5
          Hi John,

          Things have moved on a bit since I posted this. We now believe that the two marriages referred to above relate to two different Humphrey Fowles of a similar age. It's proven impossible to say for certain which one is the son of William & Susannah from Lewes. The 1871 census for your one says he was born in Brighton and that's what originally led us to believe that. One thing is for certain, all of the Humphrey Fowles trace back to the Rotherfield, Sussex Fowle family.
          Rick

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