an unfindable passenger

[HansR]

Hi,

I have been looking for "Henry Bird", who arrived, probably in 1854, in Australia. Probably Melbourne. His year of arrival is 90% certain, but 1853 or 1855 are perhaps also possible. He was born in 1799.
I checked Ancestry as well as PROV (a site of Victoria, Australia), but couldn't locate him.
Can anybody help me herewith?

thanks a lot,
Hans

[margaretmarch]

Hi,

I have been looking for "Henry Bird", who arrived, probably in 1854, in Australia. Probably Melbourne. His year of arrival is 90% certain, but 1853 or 1855 are perhaps also possible. He was born in 1799.
I checked Ancestry as well as PROV (a site of Victoria, Australia), but couldn't locate him.
Can anybody help me herewith?
thanks a lot,
Hans

Where did he leave from?
Margaret

[Guest]

the nearest I could find was in 1862?

[HansR]

Hi,

He left somewhere in England. Lived in London. Don't know more...
He was at last by 1855 in Australia.

Hans

[Night Owl]

Have you looked on Trove?

http://trove.nla.gov.au/

If you do advanced search there are a few newspaper shipping articles which may be right plus other news items

[HansR]

I checked that as well, but to no avail... It presents me with a mystery...

[Guest]

did he by any chance come back to England?

[HansR]

Yes, he returned (in Australia) in January 1865

[margaretmarch]

I found this http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...indiv=1&ml_rpo but since I don't know where Henry was born or lived I can't be sure.

Margaret

[margaretmarch]

and this http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...v=1&ml_rpos=12

Margaret

[kylejustin]

most shipping records pre 1855 don't exist anymore. the assisted passenger lists are in theory existing from 1839 i think it is in victoria. i just have a few ancestors arriving in the early 1850's, and older family members could tell you the ship they came on, but the lists havn't survived. if you can narrow down th eship, trove may have an announcement of it, they usually list the surnames of the people arriving. so maybe look for a mr bird arriving in between 1850-1855.

also do you have a marriage or death for him? this would give birthplace, which may enable him to be found in census.

[HansR]

Hi,

Could you tell me how you found him on ancestry? I can't open the link (have access to a library edition).
Are there censuses for Australia? He was born in Bristol in 1799.

Hans

[Katarzyna]

I found this http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...indiv=1&ml_rpo but since I don't know where Henry was born or lived I can't be sure.

Margaret

Australian Convict Transportation Registers – Other Fleets & Ships, 1791-1868
Henry Bird
Vessel: Asia
Convicted Date: 4 Mar 1840
Voyage Date: 25 Apr 1840
To Tasmania (Van Diemen's Land)
Convicted at: Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England

Born Bristol so could be correct. Why do you think 1853 transportation. Do you have him on a UK census ?

[Katarzyna]

and this http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...v=1&ml_rpos=12

Margaret

New South Wales and Tasmania, Australia Convict Musters, 1806-1849
Name: Henry Bird
Vessel: Asia
Province: Tasmania
Title: List of convicts (incomplete)
Year(s): 1841

[HansR]

Hi,

Henry Bird was in the census of 1851 (London), and there are various other proofs of his staying in London.

[kylejustin]

can you give a link to the 1851 london census?

[Katarzyna]

is this it?
HO107; Piece: 1529; Folio: 369; Page: 3
Name Age
Henry Bird 51 b Bristol
Ann E Bird 44
Willie E Bird 21
George Nicholls 38
Betsey Stevens 17
Thomas Holl 38
James Meggs 17
James Bentley 30
Frances Rushworth 24
Mary Garratt 21
Alfred Warner 24
Martha Sayers 38

[Katarzyna]

Is this him in 1841 all BIRD's born out of county.
HO107; Piece: 666; Book: 2; Civil Parish: St Luke; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 37; Page: 30;

Henry Bird 42
William Bird 15
Henry Bird 11
James Bird 7
Edward Bird 2
Louisa Bird 7 Mo
Rebecca Wells 46
Ellen Hamley 15
George Wansan 25
Louisa Wansan 20
Louisa Wansan 8 Mo

[vera2013]

If Kat's census for 1851 is correct (17), there were three people named Bird (no other names) travelling to Melbourne in 1853. They left from Liverpool in 1853 on the Indian Queen. Nationality English.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-c&gsln=bird&msbdy=1800&msbpn__ftp=Bristol%2c+Gloucestershire%2c+England&msbpn=202043&msbpn_PInfo=8-%7c0%7c0%7c3257%7c3251%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c5265%7c202043%7c0%7c&msady=1853&msapn__ftp=Victoria%2c+Australia&msapn=30099&msapn_PInfo=5-%7c0%7c1652397%7c0%7c5027%7c0%7c30099%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c&cpxt=1&uidh=326&msadp=1&_83004003-n_xcl=f&cp=2&pcat=IMG_PASSLISTS&h=2647655&recoff=5&db=VictoriaPL&indiv=1&ml_rpos=3

Or could be one person recorded x 3

Vera

[HansR]

Hi,

These censuses are correct.
I can't follow the direct ancestry link, Vera. Can you tell me how you found it? Which database?