Anybody got time census look up

[Guest]

Richard KNIGHT born 1864 Bermondsey
Selina Rachel DRACOTT born 1870 Kensington

married 26 Apr 1890 in Hammersmith Richard is a Butler

Richard Knight M.jpg

1891 found Selina here

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/6598/LNDRG12_36_37-0586/24780904?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1891%26h%3d24780904%26ti%3d5538%26indiv%3dtry%26gss%3dpt%26ssrc%3dpt_t6737403_p24062479611_kpidz0q3d24062479611z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&ssrc=pt_t6737403_p24062479611_kpidz0q3d24062479611z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&backlabel=ReturnRecord

but he isn't with her cannot find him at all after the marriage nor her after the 1891 census mind you eyes are tired from looking so could have missed something

Thanks

[Richard in Perth]

Possible second marriage:

Marriages Jun 1929
Foulger Joseph H Knight Hammersmith 1a 568
Knight Selina R Foulger Hammersmith 1a 568

... and corresponding death:

Name:Selina R Foulger
Birth Date: abt 1870
Date of Registration: Dec 1958
Age at Death: 88
Registration District: Fulham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5c
Page: 506

[Richard in Perth]

Richard in 1901? (married, occupation butler):

Name: Richard T Knight
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Canterbury, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Poss death for Richard (would fit with Selina remarrying in 1929):

Deaths Sep 1926
Knight Richard 60 Hammersmith 1a 242

[Richard in Perth]

Yes that's almost certainly the right Selina marrying Joseph Foulger in 1929, as they are on the 1935 electoral roll with a son called Joseph Henry DRACOTT Foulger (her maiden name). Also there is this birth on FreeBMD:

Births Mar 1905
Foulger Joseph Henry D Fulham 1a 219

... so it seems that Selina was separated from Richard by then, and she had Joseph Foulger junior out of wedlock, not marrying her new husband until Richard had died.


This would appear to be Selina in 1911, with son Joseph Foulger (though she is going by the name "Leila Rachel Knight", and claiming to be a widow):


Name: Leila Rachacl Knight
Age in 1911: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 29 Iffley Road, Hammersmith
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: DRESSMAKER
Registration District: Fulham
Registration District Number: 3
Sub-registration District: South Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Piece: 240
Household Members:
Leila Rachacl Knight 40
Joseph Henry Foulger 6
Franz Ott 24

[Richard in Perth]

Joseph senior was a police constable, at the station in 1911:

Name: Joseph Foulger
Age in 1911: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Norfolk, Norfolk, England [Bradfield Norfolk]
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: Police Station, 1 Queen Street, Hammersmith, W
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: POLICE CONSTABLE
Registration District: Fulham
Registration District Number: 3
Sub-registration District: South Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 227

Joseph's birth:
Births Dec 1869
FOULGER Joseph Henry Tunstead 4b 60

[Richard in Perth]

Joseph & Selina's deaths:

Deaths Sep 1950
Foulger Joseph H 80 Paddington 5d 160

Deaths Dec 1958
FOULGER Selina R 88 Fulham 5c 506

[Guest]

Thanks so much Richard really good of you, no wonder I couldn't find him him he never had a middle name and wonder why he said born in Canterbury? I did look for him using just his first name and probably dismissed that one.
Wonder why they split ? wouldn't be surprised to find him in the criminal records ?
Thanks again off to have a look.

[Guest]

dont think that is Richard in 1901 have found a marriage for a Richard Thomas Knight to a Susan Ann in 1890 which fits .

[Richard in Perth]

OK I see what you mean. I think that's still his death though in 1926, and that is definitely Selina in 1911 as she is at the same address on the electoral rolls after 1929 when she was married to Joseph Foulger. Therefore I would guess that she had separated from Richard at least by 1905, so he may well be living with a different "wife" in the later censuses! Can't see anything obvious though. Where was he born? I found him in 1881 (I think) with birthplace being "Walworth Rd Surrey" - however the only likely birth reg I can find is in Bermondsey in 1864. I would have thought Walworth Rd would have come under Newington district though?

[Guest]

Hi Richard thanks for your help, yes that is him in 1881 ,he was born in Bermondsey, and I agree with you over the other marriage for Selina and her death, also her new husbands details.
I still cannot find her in the 1901 census or him after the marriage in 1890 other than that death.you could be right about another marriage thanks .

[vera2013]

Val

Took a look at this last night but got nowhere with them. Did note that Richard was a butler on the mc and that his address prior to marriage was the Siamese Legation in Ashburn Place, Kensington. Think that's the same as an embassy. If he was still there at the time of the 1891 census, it is recorded that the Registrar was informed that 'no form had been collected from that address'. Wonder if he maybe travelled for a while or remained with the Embassy who did not return a census form in 1901 1911 either.

Vera

[vera2013]

Edit for above

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/6598/LNDRG12_17_19-0121?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return#?imageId=LNDRG12_32_34-0134

Vera

[Guest]

Thats a thought thanks Vera, I was hoping to find all I could about him as I actually had him attached to the wrong wife for ages but did not feel comfortable with it so started going through all the Richard Knights born about the right time, glad I did now.