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  • 1841 & 1851 Census for William Molyneux please.

    William Molyneux was born Worsley, Lancs c 1832. His name suffers many variations in transcription or how the Enumerator thought he heard and spelt it. As a consequence, I'm struggling to find him in 1841 & 1851. He should be living in Worsley because he shows as living there in 1861. His parentage I have asked for previously with no definite result.

  • #2
    what was his address in 61 Alan?
    Kat

    My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012

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    • #3
      ......and what area of Worsley ie Civil parish?
      Kat

      My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012

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      • #4
        On Familysearch a William Molyneux was baptized 26 Aug 1832 Worsley Ellenbrook Lancs. Father William Mother Jane.


        Jan

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        • #5
          In 1861, his address is shown as Walkden Moor whilst the Civil Parish is Worsley and the name is spelt 'Mullineux'

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          • #6
            Thanks Jane, I have that one..............its also in LanOPC, Ellenbrook Chapel

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            • #7
              1851 Mangno Fold ? Worsley a William Mullinex age 9 is living with
              John age 18 Collier?
              Pamela 16
              Amelia 14
              and Joseph 7

              Can't find anything in 1841 yet

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              • #8
                Sorry .that is 1841 Can't find 1851 yet.

                Jan

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                • #9
                  Thanks Jan, have you got the reference please.

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                  • #10
                    Ho107/0543/11/f32

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                    • #11
                      Cheers Jan.

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                        Alan is this the 1861 census you refer to

                        William and John Mullineaux are recorded as the stepsons of the head of family John Welsh. So possibly Ann Welsh previously Molyneaux re-married although I can't find a marriage for Molyneaux etc to a Welsh etc.

                        The three girls Ann, Alice and Esther are recorded as Mullineaux but they are John Welsh's children and there is a baptism for two of them with father John and mother Ann ? first wife.

                        Not sure who Thomas belongs to. He is with John Welsh and two of the girls in later census as a Welsh.

                        You probably know all this but I am just trying to get my head round it all

                        Vera

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                        • #14
                          Yes Vera, that's the census I'm working with. Their father dies quite young and mother remarries.
                          I've got some Asprin if the head hurts too much. Thanks for your input.

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                          • #15
                            Wrong father & mother, Val. There are so many Williams and different ways of spelling the surname, it's been a nightmare.

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                            • #16
                              Alan, I had a search through all the 1851 censuses for all districts of Worsley last night (how sad eh!). There are lots of Mollineux families but none with a William of the right age and parentage - none of him singularly or mis-transcribed with the wrong family name. Even the really faded names are not a William.
                              I think you have to consider he was out of the area - miners often moved around from colliery to colliery. What about army records?
                              Kat

                              My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012

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                              • #17
                                Is William's mother Ann (1861 census ) or Jane (post#4 family search) ???
                                Kat

                                My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012

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                                • #18
                                  The honest answer Kat, is that I really don't know. You have to go with the Census detail......if that's the correct Family.
                                  In Ellenbrook Chapel, Worsley..............2 baptisms in 1832 for a William; one is 29/4/1832 spelt Molineux and is illegitimate to Ann Molineux. The second baptised 26/8/1832 to William & JANE where the surname is Molyneux.

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                                  • #19
                                    Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
                                    http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...=try&h=9175350

                                    Alan is this the 1861 census you refer to

                                    William and John Mullineaux are recorded as the stepsons of the head of family John Welsh. So possibly Ann Welsh previously Molyneaux re-married although I can't find a marriage for Molyneaux etc to a Welsh etc.

                                    The three girls Ann, Alice and Esther are recorded as Mullineaux but they are John Welsh's children and there is a baptism for two of them with father John and mother Ann ? first wife.

                                    Not sure who Thomas belongs to. He is with John Welsh and two of the girls in later census as a Welsh.

                                    You probably know all this but I am just trying to get my head round it all

                                    Vera
                                    Have you noticed that in the previous household to the Mullenix children in 1841 are John Walch 30, Ann Walch 30 with Thomas Walch aged 2 and Ann aged 2 months so looks like Thomas belongs to William's mum and step father.
                                    Judith passed away in October 2018

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                                    • #20
                                      Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
                                      http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...=try&h=9175350

                                      Alan is this the 1861 census you refer to

                                      William and John Mullineaux are recorded as the stepsons of the head of family John Welsh. So possibly Ann Welsh previously Molyneaux re-married although I can't find a marriage for Molyneaux etc to a Welsh etc.

                                      The three girls Ann, Alice and Esther are recorded as Mullineaux but they are John Welsh's children and there is a baptism for two of them with father John and mother Ann ? first wife.

                                      Not sure who Thomas belongs to. He is with John Welsh and two of the girls in later census as a Welsh.

                                      You probably know all this but I am just trying to get my head round it all

                                      Vera
                                      Have you noticed that in the previous household to the Mullenix children in 1841 are John Walch 30, Ann Walch 30 with Thomas Walch aged 2 and Ann aged 2 months so looks like Thomas belongs to William's mum and step father.

                                      Family Search has a marriage of Ann Molineux and John Walch in Manchester cathedral, 19th Feb 1837
                                      Judith passed away in October 2018

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