Widowed men and their wife who died

[Nodrogw]

My great grandfather, Robert French, married my great grandmother, Sarah Ann Taylor in November 1877 in st. Thomas Church, Birmingham. Their marriage certificate shows that he was a widower. Is there any way of discovering who his previous wife was and how she died

[garstonite]

How old is Robert on the Marriage certificate ? and how old is Sarah Ann ?

[garstonite]

Hi ...Robert French married Sarah Ann Taylor 11th november 1873 - not 1877 ...was that a Typing error ?

[Olde Crone Holden]

Where is he in 1871 and who is he with?

OC

[Katarzyna]

This is the marriage Assuming 1873-other info
both of full age
Robert - brewer living pigott st - father James - labourer
Sarah Ann living Farthinghoe, Northampton - father Phillip - blacksmith
Witnesses Fanny French and James Hankins (Han?kins)

[Katarzyna]

Do you have Robert on 1881 or other census? we need a place of birth for him and an age if possible

[margaretmarch]

My great grandfather, Robert French, married my great grandmother, Sarah Ann Taylor in November 1877 in st. Thomas Church, Birmingham. Their marriage certificate shows that he was a widower. Is there any way of discovering who his previous wife was and how she died

Yes, you can look for him in 1871 census to see if he is with another wife. You can check him and new wife in 1881 to see if he brought children to the marriage that way you can be sure you have found the right one by checking the children are in the household with him and previous wife.

Margaret

[Elaine]

Look like he died before census


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Robert French
Probate Date: 13 Oct 1880
Death Date: 8 Jun 1880
Death Place: Warwickshire, England
Registry: Birmingham, England

widow Sarah Ann Rose and Crown 110 Hingiston Street, Birmingham

1881 Birmingham same address

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-g&gsfn=sarah&gsln=french&msypn__ftp=Birmingham%2c+Warwickshire%2c+England&msypn=1652385&msypn_PInfo=8-|0|0|3257|3251|0|0|0|5288|1652385|0|&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=aq7&cp=11&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=22466691&db=uki1881&indiv=1&ml_rpos=13

[Elaine]

Eliza looks a good one to follow

1871 Sarah with father Eliza gdau in Northampton

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1871&indiv=try&h=8234742

think she marries as French

Birmingham, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937
Name: Eliza Herodias French
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1867
Marriage Date: 31 Jan 1887
Marriage Age: 20
Marriage Place: Birmingham, Bishop Ryder, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: Joseph Worsey
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Marriage Age: 23
Father: Robert French....DEC
Spouse's Father: Peter Worsey
Reference Number: DRO 30
Archive Roll: 580

birth
Eliza Herodias Taylor
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1870
Registration District: Brackley
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 10

[Elaine]

Previous thread

http://www.familytreeforum.com/showthread.php/82078-Robert-French-Northamptonshire-and-Birmingham

[Elaine]

Sorry to cross thread but don't know if you got any further

James FRENCH otp Rose Ann HAWKINS otp 1834 15 Dec King Sutton

a James Hawkins is a witness at Robert's marriage ?

Baptisms King Sutton
Mary Ann 11 Sep 1836
Elizabeth 25 Nov 1838
Robert 15 Mar 1840
Sarah 6 Jun 1841

from 1871 census

Joseph SHELDON otp Mary FRENCH otp 1836 04-Aug Kings Sutton C of E

[margaretmarch]

From the previous thread it appears that the poster already has a name and possible first marriage for Robert French so the best thing to do is get that marriage certificate and see if the groom's father's name is James to prove the matter.

Margaret

[Elaine]

Read my mind!

[Nodrogw]

I am so sorry, It was a typing error, as Robert French and sarah Ann French were married in 1873. The 1851 census shows Robert living with his parents in Northamptonshire, and the 1871 census shows him living with his aunt and uncle in Birmingham. The marriage certificate of Robert and Sarah Ann shows him as of full age and Widowed. Her age is also shown as Full and she was a spinster. Robert was born in 1840 so he would have been 33. Sarah ann was born in 1849 and she would have been just short of her 24th birthday at the time of her wedding. I am assuming that Robert would have married for the first time some time after his 20th birthday, and he must have died prior to when he was living with his aunt in 1871. Thank you all for information provided. I should also have said that Robert died on 8th June 1880 aged 40. He was buried in a public grave in Warstone Lane cemetery in Birmingham, just down the road from his pub.I cannot understand why a public grave as he left somewhere in the region of £450

[genienut]

Hello Nodrogw
I have just discovered this forum and realize your post is fairly old but I have also been researching this FRENCH family. I am the gr-gr granddaughter of Joseph SHELDON and Mary FRENCH, the aunt and uncle that Robert was with in the 1871 census. I have discovered a little more information about Robert's first wife Naomi as well as his parents and grandparents, so here's hoping you see this post.
Genienut

[Chrissie Smiff]

Hello Genienut and welcome to FTF
Can I suggest that you send a Private Message to Nodrogw in case he doesn't see your reply. You can do this by clicking on his name and you will see the 'Private Message' box come up. He will then get an e-mail telling him of the PM from you if he has his settings to be informed.

[genienut]

Hello Chrissie
Thank you for your suggestion, I have sent the PM so hopefully he will receive it. Not sure why it took me so long to discover this forum but have to say it looks like one of the friendliest ones I have encountered
Genienut

[Chrissie Smiff]

Thank you for the compliment genienut We have some lovely, helpful members and we do our best to run a happy 'ship'.

If nodrogw doesn't get back to you in a few days, let me know and I will send a PM myself, just in case they have their settings to receive messages from Moderators only.

[genienut]

Will do Chrissie, Thank you.
Genienut