Astill of Plumtree Nottingham uk

[grenville81]

Hi all, is anyone out their interested in the astill/astle/ astell/ family and so on?
Nottingham, Birmingham, Utah USA,New Zealand.
I have five family trees running.
If i can be of help please give us a mail.
Sorry cannot do look ups I'm house bound.:(
Gren

[Darksecretz]

Hello Grenville,

did you manage to find out any information about Alice Astill b. 1880 Plumtree and Fred Norman b. 1880 Harringworth, Northants... marriage?

they had four children, two boys and two girls.. [Frederick & Percy] I won't name the girls as they could possibly still be alive.

[grenville81]

Sorry thought I'd posted this information.
I lost my e-mail use for 2weeks could not remember my pass word,as you see all is well once more.

1891 census. 54 Chapel Yard Plumtree Nottingham RG12 piece 2718 FO 144 page 10
Head Jane Astill age 48 B. 1843 Willoughby (Widow) housewife. Nee Henson.
Son Fredrick Astill age 12 B. 1880 Normanton. Ag/Lab.
Dau Alice Astill age 10 B. 1881 Normanton.

1901 census Chapel Yard Melton Road Normanton on the Wolds Nottinghamshire UK RG13 piece 3203 Fo129 page 9
Head Jane Astill age 22 B.1879 Willoughby Nottinghamshire UK Widow
Son Fredrick age 11 B.1890 Normanton Nottinghamshire Farm lab
Niece Lillian Wood age 11 B.1890 Beller Park Nottinghamshire

Married May 1906 Nottingham Civil Reg Vol 7B -page 748

1911 census 117 Princes St Mansfield Nottinghamshire UK RG14 PN20333 RG78PN1219 RD428 ED1 SN269
Head Fred Norman age 30 B.1881 Harringworth Northants Railway Porter guard
Wife Alice Astill age 30 B.1881 Plumtree Nott's
Son Fredrick age 3 B.1908 Plumtree Nott's
Son Percy age 1 B.1910 Mansfield Nott's
Dau Kathleen age 3mths B.1911 Mansfield Nott's.

[Darksecretz]

ahh thanks Grenville, did you manage to get the marriage cert at all between fred & alice? [his father should be George Norman]

[Darksecretz]

I have been doing a little digging on this line, I have corrected the 1911 census as they were mistranscribed as HERMAN :conf:

do you know what happened to Alice at all?

[grenville81]

No have not got marriage cert took it from the Civil Reg.Vol 7b-page 748 Nottingham
Alice died Nov 1951.Nottingham.
dad to Fred B.1881 is George Norman mum Emma Robinson I have not found any more info as yet, do you know where George Norman was born?

[Darksecretz]

No have not got marriage cert took it from the Civil Reg.Vol 7b-page 748 Nottingham
Alice died Nov 1951.Nottingham.
dad to Fred B.1881 is George Norman mum Emma Robinson I have not found any more info as yet, do you know where George Norman was born?

Hello Grenville,

are you 100% certain that Alice died in 1951? do you have the death cert? the reason I ask is that I have found some rather interesting information that could be very plausible indeed.

I'm sorry, but how do you know that the parents of Fred are George & Emma?

George Norman, I believe, was b. [abt.] 1841 at Harringworth, Northants. [Francis & Anna].

[Darksecretz]

have to go out now, and will be about 2 hours.. back at 8pm

[grenville81]

No i do not get certs other than my own family name (cannot afford the charges)
Am still looking for more.
Alice death I forgot to take civil registry info ,will look again.

[Darksecretz]

No i do not get certs other than my own family name (cannot afford the charges)
Am still looking for more.
Alice death I forgot to take civil registry info ,will look again.

the reason I ask is because in 1911 Alice & Fred are living in Mansfield, the four children are born in Mansfield dist, I was looking last night to see if any more children were born and trying to look for deaths for Alice & Fred, [hoping that the dates might give me a little more info] I found something most unexpected:

Name: Fred Norman
Birth Date: abt 1880
Date of Registration: Dec 1917
Age at Death: 37
Registration District: Mansfield
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 121

now I may be getting totally the wrong end of the stick BUT

Possible 2nd marriage:

Name: Alice Norman
Spouse : John G Stevenson
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1919
Registration District: Mansfield
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 324

and also the birth of two more children in Dec 1920, then this:

Name: Alice Stevenson
Birth Date: abt 1881
Date of Registration: Dec 1920
Age at Death: 39
Registration District: Mansfield
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 127

of course it would need the d/cert of Fred and the M/cert of Alice to confirm but, to me, this seems very plausible. [I would think that if the death was reg'd in Mansfield, then there is a possibility that they were cremated at Mansfield, or buried in one of the municipal cemeteries.]

going back to Fred you still didn't say just how you knew his parents were George & Emma [just curious!]

I do have a copy of their [George & Emma's] marriage cert, so I know that they do definitely belong to my line.

[grenville81]

I go along with all you say.
I have looked back and cannot find how i got the Emma Robinson, I seem to remember they were lodging with some one else.
I throw away the hard copy after putting in my tree,so i have deleted her until i can prove the parents.
Who are the parents on the George and Emma marriage cert?

[Darksecretz]

I go along with all you say.
I have looked back and cannot find how i got the Emma Robinson, I seem to remember they were lodging with some one else.
I throw away the hard copy after putting in my tree,so i have deleted her until i can prove the parents.
Who are the parents on the George and Emma marriage cert?

Georges father was Francis [Labourer] which ties up with him in the census. Emma was illegitimate. [her sister was a witness at the wedding]

I will have a look and see what I can find in the census and put the details on here.

[Darksecretz]

Emma: 1851: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...iv=1&ml_rpos=9

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2091; Folio: 304; Page: 5; GSU roll: 87719.

1861: can't find her at the moment AHA! gotya! http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...off=&ml_rpos=7
Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 2305; Folio: 21; Page: 3; GSU roll: 542951.

1871:http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...iv=1&ml_rpos=6
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3305; Folio: 26; Page: 15; GSU roll: 839341.

1881:http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...&rhSource=7619
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3190; Folio: 80; Page: 14; GSU roll: 1341761.

1891:http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...iv=1&ml_rpos=3
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2551; Folio: 62; Page: 1; GSU Roll: 6097661.

1901: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...&rhSource=7619
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3018; Folio: 66; Page: 9.

1911:http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...&rhSource=7814
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 19411.

[Darksecretz]

George Norman:

1841:http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...&rhSource=8860
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 797; Book: 12; Civil Parish: Harringworth; County: Northamptonshire; Enumeration District: 2; Folio: 10; Page: 22; Line: 14; GSU roll: 438874.


1851:THIS IMAGE IS VERY HARD TO READ, BUT, I Believe that it is the right family. http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...iv=1&ml_rpos=6
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2093; Folio: 312; Page: 17; GSU roll: 87721.


1861: He is in KNOSSINGTON on this return: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...&rhSource=8767
Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 2305; Folio: 25; Page: 11; GSU roll: 542951.

[grenville81]

Thanks for the info.
I will look it all up.
Do you mind if i use it in my tree?
I see you use Ancestry I use Find my Past.

[Darksecretz]

Thanks for the info.
I will look it all up.
Do you mind if i use it in my tree?
I see you use Ancestry I use Find my Past.

no, I don't mind Grenville.. the info is there for those to find with a bit of knowhow [I don't own them]

if they married [Fred & Alice] in a church then possibly we could find the marriage in the parish records. But, if it was a registry office wedding, then the only option would be to buy the cert. :(

[grenville81]

when my son comes round i will ask him to buyFred&Alice wedding cert.
gren

[Darksecretz]

when my son comes round i will ask him to buyFred&Alice wedding cert.
gren

if you wouldn't mind would it be possible for me to have a copy? [we could praps trade certs? I have a copy of George/Emmas from the parish register, I would be willing to exchange for a copy of Fred & Alice's] I know its abit cheeky, but if you don't ask you don't get!.. and this way we both get 'something' out of it. :smilee:

[grenville81]

No problem with this
gren

[Darksecretz]

No problem with this
gren

thank you :smilee: