Anyone got any time to solve a mystery ?

[Guest]

Have a Teresina Louise Tomaselli born 29 Oct 1920 Kensington

Father Valentine Tomaselli Mothers maiden name Sully

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=onsbirth84&h=45315368&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t6737403_p6133553248_kpidz0q3d6133553248z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid

Now this is the poser Valentine was married to a Guisseppina maiden name Swar and they were still married at this time and Guisseppina did not die till 1973

Their other children were

Rosie 1907 Paddington
Maria 1908 Poplar
James 1910 Poplar
Walter 1912 Poplar
Antonio 1913 Stepney

Could this be a transcription error or can anybody find the likely mother Thanks

[Janet in Yorkshire]

On the FMP index, James, Walter & Antonio are transcribed as Tomasello

On the image itself, Walter's mmnrecorded as Sivar

Jay

[Sunny Rosy]

There is a Valendine Tomaselle on the 1911 census with wife Josephine. Was josephine Guiseppina?

sunnyr

[Guest]

Thanks both
That is the same family in 1911 Sunny, Guisseppina called herself Josephine too,
Janet we think the Sivar was meant to be Swar, they are Tomasellis .

[Sunny Rosy]

Have you got the marriage cert of Teresina, she was married to Lovell in 1937?

sunny r

[Elaine]

Don't think they married

Name: TOMASELLO, Antonio
Registration district: Stepney
County: London
Year of registration: 1913
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Swar
1C/608

[Sunny Rosy]

Found a marriage in Dec qtr 1906 for Valentine tomaselli and Pepina Swar.

sunny r

[Guest]

Yes I have their marriage cert thanks Sunny, and that marriage is my Valentine and Guiseppina in 1906, I wondered if maybe Valentine had a fling with a girl surname Sully?
Elaine their name gets mistranscribed quite a bit and that Antonio is Valentine and Guisseppinas child.

[Elaine]

Sorry put the wrong name in for the father doh...missed the marriage

[Olde Crone Holden]

Surely SULLY is just a mishearing/mistranscription of 'SELLI, as in TomaSELLI.

OC

[Guest]

interesting OC but its supposed to be her maiden name ? which was Swar , do you think thats what happened then ?

[Night Owl]

I'm inclined to think its someone's interpretation of a hand written Swar from the marriage register. The person at the GRO transcribing it probably hadn't heard of the name Swar. Apart from the 'y' at the end of Sully I can imagine that the first part of the name could be misinterpreted. Mind you, there is a big gap between the last 2 children

[Olde Crone Holden]

Val

Quite a few of my female relatives gave the wrong maiden name when asked - I think when asked "mother's name?" some of mine gave their own mother's name, rather than their maiden name.

But I can see what Jackie means as well - if you write a scrawly "Swar" it does look a bit like Sully, especially if you've never heard of the name SWAR.

OC

[Guest]

thanks very much Jackie and OC that does make some sense.