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    William and Emma Clark (nee Dickinson) married in 1857 and had 5 children - William Henry, Alfred James, Sarah, Francis George and Ann Elizabeth. In 1871 they were living in Littlemore in Oxfordshire http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...src=&pid=57901 Class: RG10; Piece: 1265; Folio: 83; Page: 29; GSU roll: 827846.

    William and Emma then vanish, so now I am trying to trace the children. From a tree on Ancestry, it looks like William Henry enters the army and goes to India where he marries Charlotte Scammell (Details on FamilySearch) and they have a son in 1885 in India also called William Henry.

    By 1891 William and Charlotte are back in England with a 1-year old son Frederick. http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...d&pid=16829128 Class: RG12; Piece: 2424; Folio: 99; Page: 15; GSU Roll: 6097534. Details match for birth dates and places.

    Now it starts to get confusing. According to the online tree, William dies in 1900 in the Boer War, but in 1901 is back with Emma in the census - but now calling himself Francis George. I'm pretty sure that this is Williams brother, as the dob matches, but cannot find a marriage for him and Charlotte. Frederick is with them plus 3 more children http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...=&pid=16579066 Class: RG13; Piece: 2873; Folio: 93; Page: 43.

    I'm having trouble trying to find deaths marriages and births for this lot. It looks like Walter George, the youngest child goes to Canada, and possibly some of the others too. Can anyone help me in sorting this lot out?

    Thanks
    Linda


    My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955

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    Linda, I think you may have posted this in the wrong place..
    Lennon. Phillips. Thomas. Peacock. Tubridy. Burton.

    I am the girl from that town & I'm darn proud of it.

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    • #3
      Oops so I have - could someone move it for me please? :o
      Linda


      My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955

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      • #4
        Moved to Research for you Linda.
        Elaine







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        • #5
          Thanks Elaine.
          Linda


          My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955

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          • #6
            Might this be Francis George & Walter in 1911 ??


            Jay
            Last edited by Janet in Yorkshire; 19-07-13, 20:27.
            Janet in Yorkshire



            Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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            • #7
              Possible death for Charlotte??

              CLARKE, Charlotte; Aston, Warwickshire Oct-Nov-Dec 1902; Age at death 37 yrs

              IF Francis was the brother of Charlotte's deceased husband, technically it was against the law at that time for them to marry, so they may not have bothered. (However, I have several instances of couples flouting the law.)

              Jay
              Last edited by Janet in Yorkshire; 19-07-13, 20:36.
              Janet in Yorkshire



              Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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              • #8
                this looks like it is Frederick CHARLES Clarke applying to serve in CEF and gives his DOB as 22nd Dec 1890/Birmingham and half brother Walter is his NOK a farmer



                birth: though his actual dob on the army paper is almost a year out!.. as he should have been born in 1889 to be reg'd in JFM the next q


                Name: Frederick Charles Clarke
                Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1890
                Registration District: Aston
                Inferred County: Warwickshire
                Volume: 6d
                Page: 322

                Julie
                They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                .......I find dead people

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                • #9
                  Julie, that's interesting that Frederick says that Walter is his half brother- that would mean that Francis and Charlotte were together before William died, IF he died in 1900 - there isn't any proof on the tree I found so maybe William died before 1900. Seeing as how Francis is a widower in 1911 (thanks Janet) then that death for Charlotte in 1902 looks good (thanks again!).

                  I'll have another look at the deaths for William Henry in this country, just in case
                  Linda


                  My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955

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                  • #10
                    it does, however, lend credence to the fact that as you say that possibly they were together before william died [he might not have died though, praps he went off with another woman!]

                    though Freds B/C would confirm this [and give Emmas MN]
                    Julie
                    They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                    .......I find dead people

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                    • #11
                      can't spot a birth for Francis W atm..

                      but: Birth

                      Name: Charlotte Agnes Clarke
                      Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1894
                      Registration District: Aston
                      Inferred County: Warwickshire
                      Volume:6d
                      Page: 304

                      Death:

                      Name: Charlotte Agnes Clarke
                      Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
                      Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1902
                      Age at Death: 8
                      Registration District: Aston
                      Inferred County: Warwickshire
                      Volume: 6d
                      Page: 188


                      Birth:

                      Name: Walter George E Clarke
                      Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1898
                      Registration District: Aston
                      Inferred County: Warwickshire
                      Volume: 6d
                      Page: 452

                      though there is another birth for a Walter George in 1899 in Aston, so may need checking out, though I have found that when they give the birth year on the census, they almost always tend to have their births registered the year before.

                      and walters CEF too



                      and a marriage

                      Julie
                      They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                      .......I find dead people

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                      • #12
                        Walter George E looks like he is a different one - son of Walter and Florence Clarke. The other Walter George certainly seems more likely.
                        Linda


                        My avatar is my Grandmother Carolina Meulenhoff 1896 - 1955

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                        • #13
                          Family tree as recorded by Walter George Clarke

                          [Walter George Clarke was my grandfather. He wrote the following in the back of a photo album, which might be helpful to you.

                          Father CQMS William Henry Clarke
                          Served on Northwest Frontier
                          Killed in South African War [No date given]

                          Married Charlotte Scammel (born in India) 1884
                          (Children)
                          Frank (born in India) 1884
                          Fred (born in England) 1889
                          Charlotte (born in England) 1894
                          Walter (born in England) 1899
                          Mother [Charlotte] married Uncle Frank 1900
                          [My grandfather as a child thought that Frank was his father]
                          Mother [Charlotte] died December 24, 1902
                          [Sister] Charlotte died 1904
                          Frank and Fred sailed to Canada 1905
                          Walter sailed to Canada 1913
                          Uncle Frank married Minnie Bishop May 13, 1912
                          Frank born 1912
                          Anne born 1916

                          [In Canada]
                          Fred joined 90th Winnipeg Rifles 1915
                          Drafted to 1st CMRs [Canadian Mounted Rifles]
                          Wounded at Amiens August 9th, 1918

                          Walter joined 183rd Battalion, 1916 [by adding a year to his age]
                          Wounded at Chérisy France, Sept 1st 1918

                          No word of [brother] Frank since 1913. Believed to have been killed in the Great War.



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                            Hi Mike and welcome to the site. Thank you so much for all that information, I was still a bit unsure of all the relationships. We are very distantly related then, as we have the same 4x great grandparents (I think - still early in the morning for me!)

                            It's wonderful to have that information provided, and for it to have survived all these years. If you want any information on previous generations, let me know

                            I assume you are still in Canada - either that or a very early riser.
                            Last edited by ozgirl; 12-11-14, 07:51.
                            Linda


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