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jammin208
30-06-13, 21:54
lilian louisa lane thought to be born 1903 stoke newington,,was working on her father being timothy lane,,,http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-g&gsfn=timothy+&gsln=lane&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=yz1&_83004003-n_xcl=f&cp=11&mssng0=catherine+alice&mssns0=perry&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=1959527&db=1911England&indiv=1
and her mother catherine alice perry (lane).
ordered lilian l lane and albert endersbys marriage certificate and it named benjamin charles lane as the father.i looked for him in electrol rolls and from 1921 he he said to be living at 59 campbell road same as timothy lane as in above census.
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1795/40020_213406-00609/268063881?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co. uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d1%26new%3d1%26tid%3d4887188 3%26tpid%3d20300189753%26ssrc%3dpt_t48871883_p2030 0189753%26MSAV%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dangs-c%26gsfn%3dbenjamin%2bcharles%26gsln%3dlane%26msgd y%3d1899%26cpxt%3d1%26catBucket%3drstp%26uidh%3dyz 1%26_83004003-n_xcl%3df%26cp%3d11%26pcat%3dCEN_CENTURY1900%26h%3 d268063881%26recoff%3d7%2b8%2b9%26db%3dLMAelectora lreg%26indiv%3d1&ssrc=pt_t48871883_p20300189753&backlabel=ReturnRecord

jammin208
30-06-13, 21:58
can anyone help?

margaretmarch
30-06-13, 22:18
did you find a marriage for Catherine Perry and Timothy Lane?

Margaret

PeteW1959
30-06-13, 22:21
Sorry, been looking and can't find anything that looks likely.

As Timothy and Catherine were married 12 years in 1911, I would have expected to find them in 1901, but no luck, nor can I find a likely marriage for either Timothy or Benjamin Lane.

margaretmarch
30-06-13, 22:25
This looks like it might be the death of the Timothy Lane in the 1911 census
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&gsfn=Timothy&gsln=Lane&gsby=1876&gsb2co=3251%2cEngland&gsb2pl=5275%2cMiddlesex&gsdy=&gsd2co=1%2cAll+Countries&gsd2pl=1%2c+&sbo=0&sbor=&ufr=0&wp=4%3b_80000002%3b_80000003&srchb=r&prox=1&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-b&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=23111979&db=ONSDeath93&indiv=1

margaretmarch
30-06-13, 22:27
Heres a Benjamin Charles Lane in 1911 http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=angs-g&gsfn=Benjamin+Charles&gsln=Lane&sbo=0&uidh=ar6&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=50585965&db=1911England&indiv=1

PeteW1959
30-06-13, 22:27
Could this be the birth of John Patrick?

From FreeBMD:-
Births Jun 1904 Lane, John Patrick, Hackney Volume 1b, Page 394

margaretmarch
30-06-13, 22:29
Here's a Catherine Perry death search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=LMAdeaths&h=8576710&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=1558 which comes up as a hint next to the 1911 census record you have for Timothy.
Margaret

margaretmarch
30-06-13, 22:31
Here's the birth for Lilian Louisa Lane http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=1&gsfn=Lilian+Louisa&f0=Lane&sx=&f9=&rg_f7__date=1903&rs_f7__date=0&f5=&f6=&f4=&f3=Middlesex&f2=&gskw=&prox=1&db=freebmdbirth&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=34&fh=0&h=17676130&recoff=7+8+9

jammin208
30-06-13, 22:32
thats the birth that i have for john patrick. no marriages found for timothy or benjamin.x

jammin208
30-06-13, 22:34
i also have that birth for lillian l lane but also one in 1903 so not sure how i can be sure which is hers.x

PeteW1959
30-06-13, 22:43
What are the details of the 1903 birth? I can only see the 1902 one.

jammin208
30-06-13, 22:48
found this but need to explore its relevence lots of info but is it the right benjamin? http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=louisa+caroline&gsln=bender&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=yz1&cp=11&pcat=34&h=7241297&recoff=8+9+10+32&db=LMAmarriages&indiv=1

jammin208
30-06-13, 22:52
sorry i was referring to the 1911 census but realised t says "about" 1903 and stoke newington is the sub district for hackey. so i think your 1902 is right.x

vera2013
01-07-13, 08:41
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1901&h=2177908&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t8320638_p275872772_kpidz0q3d275872772z0q2 6aidz0q3d16380154103z0q26pgz0q3d32771z0q26pgplz0q3 dpidz0q257caid Possibly Catherine A in workhouse. There is a tree on Ancestry which has a Catherine A Perry 1865-1935 having children with Thomas Betton 1866-1929. The last child is Edith b 1900. Thomas Betton then marries Emily Ada Rollings in 1901. However, I still can't find a marriage for Catherine A Perry or Betton with Timothy Lane. http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=LMAmarriages&h=6285621&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=891 One of the ?? children of Catherine A with Thomas Betton gives father as Benjamin Charles Betton on marriage cert. Vera

margaretmarch
01-07-13, 10:04
What occupation does it give for Benjamin Charles on the marriage certificate?

Margaret

margaretmarch
01-07-13, 10:06
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1901&h=2177908&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t8320638_p275872772_kpidz0q3d275872772z0q2 6aidz0q3d16380154103z0q26pgz0q3d32771z0q26pgplz0q3 dpidz0q257caid Possibly Catherine A in workhouse. There is a tree on Ancestry which has a Catherine A Perry 1865-1935 having children with Thomas Betton 1866-1929. The last child is Edith b 1900. Thomas Betton then marries Emily Ada Rollings in 1901. However, I still can't find a marriage for Catherine A Perry or Betton with Timothy Lane. http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=LMAmarriages&h=6285621&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=891 One of the ?? children of Catherine A with Thomas Betton gives father as Benjamin Charles Betton on marriage cert. Vera

There's a correction to the record of the Catherine A Perry in the workhouse so it might be worth contacting that person to see what they have/know.

Margaret

margaretmarch
01-07-13, 10:08
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1901&h=2177908&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t8320638_p275872772_kpidz0q3d275872772z0q2 6aidz0q3d16380154103z0q26pgz0q3d32771z0q26pgplz0q3 dpidz0q257caid Possibly Catherine A in workhouse. There is a tree on Ancestry which has a Catherine A Perry 1865-1935 having children with Thomas Betton 1866-1929. The last child is Edith b 1900. Thomas Betton then marries Emily Ada Rollings in 1901. However, I still can't find a marriage for Catherine A Perry or Betton with Timothy Lane. http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=LMAmarriages&h=6285621&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=891 One of the ?? children of Catherine A with Thomas Betton gives father as Benjamin Charles Betton on marriage cert. Vera

I think you're onto something there Vera ref the Benjamin Charles Betton - some confusion with father's surname I would think.

Margaret

jammin208
01-07-13, 10:14
thankyou i will check all your links. i have come across thomas betton in my earlier findings but as you can see all very confusing. ordering lilian l lanes birth cert, in the mean time if anyone come across anything else that could help would be very greatful.x

vera2013
01-07-13, 10:51
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1901&h=2177366&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=8912 The only other thing I found was two of the possible children of Catherine A and Thomas Betton - Elizabeth A and Minnie E were also in the St Pancras Workhouse in 1901. Not sure what happened to the son Hubert b 1898. I note that Benjamin Charles and Thomas were Bicycle Makers. Vera

PeteW1959
01-07-13, 11:34
I have been looking at electoral registers for 59 Campbell Road. It seems the house was let as individual rooms, at least from 1895 (the earliest register I can find online), and there seem to have been at least 5 rooms. Until 1921 there isn't a register that has all rooms with registered voters.



1909Charles Jenkins and Frederick Wilson


1910No registered voters


1911No registered voters


1912William Pennington and Thomas Davies


1913William Pennington and Charles Lane


1914William Pennington and Charles Lane


1915Charles Rogers and Charles Lane


1916No register (WW1)


1917No register (WW1)


1918Cannot find register for Campbell Road online


1919Cannot find register for Campbell Road online


1920Cannot find register for Campbell Road online


1921Benjamin Charles & Catherine Lane, with others



If he stayed at 59 Campbell Road 1916-1920 then I would assume that his name is actually Benjamin Charles, but he used just Charles from 1913-15, or added the Benjamin later.

I supect that Timothy is either a different person, or Benjamin was going by a different name, and that may be why he didnt register to vote from in 1911 and 1912.

Note to mods; I am assuming all these people have passed away, as they would have had to be at least 21 in 1915.

jammin208
01-07-13, 20:09
thanks for all your help.x

jammin208
01-07-13, 20:31
ancestry doesnt lile the name benjamin charles lane. 13 ancestry hints and other than some family trees all the hints are for george lane

jammin208
20-08-13, 09:13
i ordered lilian louisa lane 1903 stoke newington birth certificate and it was the correct one. father named on cert benjamin charles lane... but still dont know much about this person. he was named on lilians birth certificate as father and on her marriage cert. ive just read all the comments on here to refresh as it was a while ago since i enquired....x