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PascalMallet
14-06-13, 13:48
Bonjour à tous! I am French and some of my ancestors came from England as lacemakers to produce tulle and lace in Calais. I just posted a new thread asking for some help for English records, but as I am quite comfortable with French records of any kind, I can also give information about how to handle tools for researches in France, especially on French websites.

Leanne
07-07-13, 05:18
Do you think I will be able to trace my family if I don't know his parents names and only know his birth place as France ?

PascalMallet
07-07-13, 09:05
Do you think I will be able to trace my family if I don't know his parents names and only know his birth place as France ?

As there is no national archives for birth records in France, you must know where in France he was born. France is organized in 95 "départements" with their own archives and almost all are online. After you pass through this first step, you will find a lot of things on birth records, such as both parents names, if they are alive or deceased (sometimes where), godfather and godmother on baptism records, etc. (that depends on the date).

If you don't know the place he was born, I can have a look for you at www.geneanet.org to see if your ancestor appears in some trees. I need his first name and surname, and approximate date of birth. You can also try by yourself (in upper right corner, you can choose your language) but you will only get a list if you're not a subscriber (€40/year).

I hope this helps.

Jen~Ealogy
07-07-13, 10:53
Hi Pascal, am I to assume you may be able to do look up checks in registers etc, if so, I would appreciate some help with my great grandfather whom I/we (other members of family) thought we had found until recently. But there now seems to be some doubt surrounding our 'so called' find. I would appreciate any advice you can offer. Thank you.

PascalMallet
07-07-13, 18:30
Hi Pascal, am I to assume you may be able to do look up checks in registers etc, if so, I would appreciate some help with my great grandfather whom I/we (other members of family) thought we had found until recently. But there now seems to be some doubt surrounding our 'so called' find. I would appreciate any advice you can offer. Thank you.

Hi Jen,

I offer to give you some hints about online French archives (most of 95 "départements" are on Internet now, and free access, but there is no national archives for parish nor civil records), and sometimes about records you find, but I can't guarantee to do more.

To help you starting your research, I need to know names, place and date of the event about your great grandfather. Then I will try to tell you how to go further.

Pascal

Jen~Ealogy
07-07-13, 19:25
Hi Jen,

I offer to give you some hints about online French archives (most of 95 "départements" are on Internet now, and free access, but there is no national archives for parish nor civil records), and sometimes about records you find, but I can't guarantee to do more.

To help you starting your research, I need to know names, place and date of the event about your great grandfather. Then I will try to tell you how to go further.

Pascal

Thank you Pascal.
First off, I am unsure of his exact d.o.b could be anywhere between 1829 and 1833. On one census he is saying he is from America and on another he is down as coming from St Omer in Calais.
His name is William Henry Tyson (or French equilvalent Touson).
On 1861 census he is supposedly living with a wife named Kate from Ormskirk. We have found no trace whatsoever of her or a marriage for them. The census we believe was done in April. By the August of that yr, he had married my g. grandmother and they gave the same address on the marriage certificate.
Stating himself to be a widower of 40 yrs and g. grandmother aged 26.....which is wrong as she was only 19.
Her name is Martha Chandler born 1841 in Liverpool.
The reason we are/were convinced he may have been French is because my late father was told so. He never met him.
The only other info we have to go on is from the marriage cert. His Father's name John and occupation, Cooper.
We did a search by fiche on the St Omer records, where we though we had found him and his parents (father had same name John), and 3 siblings. However, more recently and on closer inspection of the poor transcription, a cousin bevlieves this to be incorrect.
So we are back to scratch really and totally at a loss as to where to look now.
Anything you could suggest I do would be appreciated. I know my cousin keeps going back to him but it is over 12 months now and nothing else has turned up.
We have all his history coming forwards from 1861.....it is the trail backwards which is eluding us. Thank you for taking the time to reply.

PascalMallet
07-07-13, 21:18
Thank you Jen for all those details. I will try to help you, but only tomorrow evening as I am not home tonight nor tomorrow. I already think about few tracks.

Pascal

Harrys mum
08-07-13, 01:36
Hello Pascal, I wonder if you could point me in the right direction please. I have Agatha Ariel marrying Francois Giacobbi in Paris in 1847. Agatha was married to Edward Clark in England and they divorced in 1845. She must have gone back to her maiden name. I have never found her death but from other family records it should be around 1850/51/52. As she was only 25 when she married in Paris, there could also be another child or two. Would you have any ideas of other places I could possibly check? Thank you.

Jen~Ealogy
08-07-13, 10:14
Thank you Jen for all those details. I will try to help you, but only tomorrow evening as I am not home tonight nor tomorrow. I already think about few tracks.

Pascal

Thank you Pascal, whenever you have the time. I appreciate it.

PascalMallet
08-07-13, 17:12
Thank you Pascal.
First off, I am unsure of his exact d.o.b could be anywhere between 1829 and 1833. On one census he is saying he is from America and on another he is down as coming from St Omer in Calais.
His name is William Henry Tyson (or French equilvalent Touson).
On 1861 census he is supposedly living with a wife named Kate from Ormskirk. We have found no trace whatsoever of her or a marriage for them. The census we believe was done in April. By the August of that yr, he had married my g. grandmother and they gave the same address on the marriage certificate.
Stating himself to be a widower of 40 yrs and g. grandmother aged 26.....which is wrong as she was only 19.
Her name is Martha Chandler born 1841 in Liverpool.
The reason we are/were convinced he may have been French is because my late father was told so. He never met him.
The only other info we have to go on is from the marriage cert. His Father's name John and occupation, Cooper.
We did a search by fiche on the St Omer records, where we though we had found him and his parents (father had same name John), and 3 siblings. However, more recently and on closer inspection of the poor transcription, a cousin bevlieves this to be incorrect.
So we are back to scratch really and totally at a loss as to where to look now.
Anything you could suggest I do would be appreciated. I know my cousin keeps going back to him but it is over 12 months now and nothing else has turned up.
We have all his history coming forwards from 1861.....it is the trail backwards which is eluding us. Thank you for taking the time to reply.

I am now back home. First of all, I think you should go to "Pas-de-Calais" online archives and look in "Etat civil" then in "Tables décennales" (TD) of Saint-Omer. Since about 1793, all NMD records (births, marriages, deaths) are listed every 10 years (can be more or less depending of how big the town is). A 10-year period usely begins in xxx3 and ends in xxx2. Most of the time, you get births first, then marriages and deaths. All names are in alphabetical order, but sometimes only sorted by first letter then by dates, sometimes by sorted by full alphabetical order but year after year. If there is a record, you will quickly find it with date and sometimes a number (it can happens that some have not been reported in TD...). Take care that 7bre is short for September (not July), 8bre, 9bre, and 10bre or Xbre for December. After you got the dates, you can look at the record.

You can also check in towns around Saint-Omer. As it is a big town, it is also a "chef-lieu de canton" (group of "communes", towns), and it leads two cantons. So, in Google, search for "Canton de Saint-Omer Nord", then "... Sud". That will give you the names of the towns around.

About censuses, you can see the date on last page.

If he was French, then he went to the army or at least he went to check if he can go when he was 20, so 1849 to 1853. Those lists can only be seen in AD in Arras (main town of Pas-de-Calais), and online from 1867.

If he was American and became French, you may go to Archives nationales (AN) website http://www.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/chan/chan/index.html, then click on "Instruments de recherche", then on "NAT" in "Base de données". If your ancestor became French before 1854, he is there! In next window, click the small square before NAT and "Recherche simple". In next window, type the name you're looking for. The files for naturalization are really full of details but they are not online (you got only a reference number). If you find something, just tell me. If he has been naturalized after 1853, that's more tricky as you may only search on microfilms in Paris. Then again you got a reference number and you must book the file for your next visit to AN... It takes time but it is really fantastic when you find it. That's something I could do for you when I go to Paris.

If you don't successe, the last thing I suggest is to take a look to the records you got, and see if you or your cousin didn't miss something important. I will tell you my email address.

Good luck!

PascalMallet
08-07-13, 18:14
Hello Pascal, I wonder if you could point me in the right direction please. I have Agatha Ariel marrying Francois Giacobbi in Paris in 1847. Agatha was married to Edward Clark in England and they divorced in 1845. She must have gone back to her maiden name. I have never found her death but from other family records it should be around 1850/51/52. As she was only 25 when she married in Paris, there could also be another child or two. Would you have any ideas of other places I could possibly check? Thank you.

Hello,

First of all, a woman is always recorded with her maiden name. So, you must search for ARIEL.
Go to Paris archives website http://canadp-archivesenligne.paris.fr/ and click on "Consulter l'état-civil de Paris", then "Accéder aux fichiers alphabétiques" on next window. For children, if any, do same but with her husband's name. Unfortunately, 2/3 of 8 millions records dated before 1860 have been destroyed during 1871 revolution. So, good luck!

Another hint, is to look at www.geneanet.org website (English interface by choosing your language in the upper right corner). Choose "Ile de France" as region. If you find something, I will look for you deeper as I am a subscriber. Another famous website is http://www.geneaservice.com/archives/france-mariage-naissance-deces.php where you can find reconstruction of some missing records from parish records, etc. You must pay a fee to get the results.

Another track is to check for her succession, but that can be done only in Paris.

I hope it helps.

Jen~Ealogy
08-07-13, 19:23
Wow...so much information Pascal, thank you. It may take some time for us to get through.
One thing I did forget to mention in the information I gave you was that on the British/English census' he is recorded as being born in France BS. So a british subject. So at least one if not both of his parents were English but will this make any difference to the way I search.
I am intrigued about what you say about the Army or other forces (Navy) as I did wonder if he may have been a serving seaman and at one time gone to America........
The reason for this being that we did find a prison record for him in England. In 1870 he gave his age as 44 (which would give d.o.b as 1826), he served one months hard labour and in the description given of him, he had a scar on his left cheek, 2 pierced ears, walked with a limp as his leg had been broken above the right knee and he had a Anchor & Flag tattoo on his left forearm. He also gave his place of birth as America.
One could imagine from this description he could have been a pirate.......I just wish I knew what flag he had tattoed on his arm, that may have given more of a clue.
I don't suppose you could surmise anything from all this Pascal?

PascalMallet
08-07-13, 20:16
Wow...so much information Pascal, thank you. It may take some time for us to get through.
I don't suppose you could surmise anything from all this Pascal?

I first understood that it was Saint-Omer censuses.
That's great to find such a description! I hope you will find more. Just let me know.

Jen~Ealogy
08-07-13, 20:28
I first understood that it was Saint-Omer censuses.
That's great to find such a description! I hope you will find more. Just let me know.
Thanks Pascal, I just hope it may mean something.

Harrys mum
08-07-13, 20:45
Thank you Pascal....I will try those suggestions.

Beagle
20-07-13, 19:59
Pascal
Thanks for offering to help.
To clarify, following on from the Leicester to France and back again (http://www.familytreeforum.com/showthread.php/102258-Leicester-to-France-and-back-again/page5) thread, I’m trying to obtain a full transcription from the Wazemmes registers for :
Jacques Edmond CLAY registered 11 Nov 1838 and
Jean-Baptiste CLAY registerd 9 July 1840
Also if possible, Joseph Ernest Jones Clay born about 1842 who didn’t appear in this register but was probably born in the Lille region.
Parents: Thomas CLAY/Louisa JONES
Thanks again

PascalMallet
21-07-13, 19:01
Pascal
Thanks for offering to help.
To clarify, following on from the Leicester to France and back again (http://www.familytreeforum.com/showthread.php/102258-Leicester-to-France-and-back-again/page5) thread, I’m trying to obtain a full transcription from the Wazemmes registers for :
Jacques Edmond CLAY registered 11 Nov 1838 and
Jean-Baptiste CLAY registerd 9 July 1840
Also if possible, Joseph Ernest Jones Clay born about 1842 who didn’t appear in this register but was probably born in the Lille region.
Parents: Thomas CLAY/Louisa JONES
Thanks again

Hello,

You can find both birth records you search for at Archives départementales du Nord. Here is the link to their website: http://www.archivesdepartementales.cg59.fr/?id=archives_online. Click on "Etat civil" then on "Actes" (records), then choose "Lille (Wazemmes)" as town, then the time period and the kind of records you search for ("N" means Naissances: Births). As you know the birth dates (I guess you got them in "Tables décennales"), go to these pages. You can zoom if you like. As I did it for you, here are the pages number and transcription-translation:

(Page 458) L’an 1838, le 11 novembre, à une heure de l’après-midi …
… est comparu Thomas Clay
né à Leicester, âgé de trente-sept ans, ouvrier en tulle
domicilié en cette commune, rue de Voltaire, lequel nous a présenté un
enfant de sexe masculin, né hier à huit heures du matin, de lui
comparant et de Louise Jonéa, née à Leicester (Angleterre),
âgée de trente-deux ans, son épouse, et auquel il a déclaré
vouloir donner les prénoms de Jacques – Edmond – Jean

… devant Louis Cornille, âgé de trente-sept ans,
garde champêtre, non parent de l’enfant,
domicilié à Wazemmes et Henri Sculford, âgé de
trente-huit ans, écrivain, non parent dudit enfant,
domicilié au même lieu.

Après lecture, le père et les témoins ont signé avec nous le
présent acte de naissance.

Year 1838, November 11th, 1:00 pm …
… has appeared Thomas Clay
bors in Leicester, 37 years old, worker in tulle factory
living in this town, Voltaire St., who has shown to us
a male child born yesterday 8:00 am, from him
appearing before us and from Louise Jonéa, born in Leicester (England)
32 years old, his spouse, to whom he has declared
to wand to give first names …

… declaration and showing done before Louis Cornille,
aged 37, constable [?], not related to child,
living in Wazemmes and Henri Sculford
aged 38, writer, not related to child
living in same town.

After reading, father and witnesses have signed with us the
current birth record.

(see my next post)

PascalMallet
21-07-13, 20:56
Here is second birth record:

(Page 598) L’an 1840, le 9 juillet, à quatre heures de l’après-midi …
… est comparu Thomas Clay
né en Angleterre, âgé de trente-neuf ans, faiseur de tulle
domicilié en cette commune, rue de Voltaire, lequel nous a présenté un
enfant de sexe masculin, né hier à une heure du matin, de lui
comparant et de Louise Jones, née à Leicester (Angleterre),
âgée de trente-quatre ans, son épouse, et auquel il a déclaré
vouloir donner les prénoms de Jean - Baptiste

… devant Charles Larrac, âgé de trente-six ans,
tulliste, non parent de l’enfant,
domicilié à Wazemmes et Guillaume Clay, âgé de
trente ans, tulliste, oncle dudit enfant,
domicilié au même lieu.

Après lecture, le père et le second témoin ont signé le
présent acte de naissance, le premier témoin ayant dit ne le savoir faire.

Year 1840, July 7th, 4:00 pm …
… has appeared Thomas Clay
bors in England, 39 years old, tulle maker
living in this town, Voltaire St., who has shown to us
a male child born yesterday 1:00 am, from him
appearing before us and from Louise Jones, born in Leicester (England)
34 years old, his spouse, to whom he has declared
to wand to give first names …

… declaration and showing done before Charles Larrac,
aged 37, tulle maker, not related to child,
living in Wazemmes and Guillaume Clay
aged 30, tulle maker, child’s uncle
living in same town.

After reading, father and second witness have signed the
current birth record, first witness has said not to know to do it.

For the 3rd birth, as records are not centralized anywhere, you must go to all Lille "Tables décennales", then find record as I told you. Take care that sometimes, names are not sorted by alphabetical order, but only by first letter. You can find 7bre what means September, 8bre, 9bre, and 10bre or Xbre what means December. I guess you will now translate it by yourself.

If you don't find anything in Lille, you can see the towns around by going there: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_cantons_du_Nord and see in "Arrondissement de Lille".

I also know that some people in Leicester to France and back again (http://www.familytreeforum.com/showthread.php/102258-Leicester-to-France-and-back-again/page5) thread are also searching for Clays.

I hope this helps.

jarmon20
30-01-14, 02:24
Are you still giving people help with genealogy?

PascalMallet
30-01-14, 09:38
Are you still giving people help with genealogy?
Yes, absolutely.

White Mist
26-03-14, 11:02
Pascal, is it possible to trace a frenchmans's military records (mariner) for late 1700 - 1840?

White Mist

PascalMallet
26-03-14, 13:55
Pascal, is it possible to trace a frenchmans's military records (mariner) for late 1700 - 1840?

White Mist
Yes it is possible, but you need some basic information first. All men must go to "conseil de révision" in the town where they live when they are 20-year old. Birth year + 20 = "classe". First of all, you must know that place. Even with that information, those records are not yet online for the time you speak about. On those records, you got physical description, instruction level, and military corps.

If your ancestor was a soldier (I guess it is the same for mariners), you probably won't get anything more, unless he was wounded, so maybe he has a file in military archives (not online either for that time). If he was an officer, he surely has a file in military archives.

When you tell me more information, I will try to give you more precise answer.

Pascal

White Mist
27-03-14, 22:42
Yes it is possible, but you need some basic information first. All men must go to "conseil de révision" in the town where they live when they are 20-year old. Birth year + 20 = "classe". First of all, you must know that place. Even with that information, those records are not yet online for the time you speak about. On those records, you got physical description, instruction level, and military corps.

If your ancestor was a soldier (I guess it is the same for mariners), you probably won't get anything more, unless he was wounded, so maybe he has a file in military archives (not online either for that time). If he was an officer, he surely has a file in military archives.

When you tell me more information, I will try to give you more precise answer.

Pascal

Bonjour et ca va?

Thank you for your reply Pascal. I am guessing that “conseil de revision” is a version of “service militaire”, or national service in the UK? Are these records subject to the 100 year rule?

Here is the explanationa and information that I have to date. I hope that you can follow it -


The man that I believe to be my 3rd grandpere arriere, born Louis Francois Hermitte of Toulon, Var France, 4th October 1763 was a Maitre de Manoeuvres on the French naval ship Formidable which was captured at the Battle of Trafalgar 1805 and taken back to Gosport/Portsmouth in England. The crew list of the Formidable (held at The National Archives UK) establishes that he has a French wife - Madelaine Marchand. Louis Francois Hermitte, is documented in LDS records as is his family, his marriage to Madelaine Marchand and their children all living in Toulon. Also documented in Geneanet.

I have not found any records of him being wounded but that does not mean that he wasn't.


I am unsure if Maitre de Manoeuvres would have been considered to be officers in the French navy at that time. I believe that he was a career mariner because his duties aboard ship required a lot of experience and skill gained over a long period of time.


A man called Lewis Francis (the anglicised version of the above name) Hermitte married Susannah Lewis in Portsea (Portsmouth) in 1795 and their child Ann Susannah Hermitte was baptized in Gosport in 1797. There is no UK further documentation that refers to Lewis Francis Hermitte - in fact it looks as if Louis Francois Hermitte went back to Toulon, (maybe as part of a prisoner exchange scheme) and continued to have more children with Madeleine Marchand.
Ann Susannah Hermitte moved to London, married and had a quite a few direct descendant males that have Lewis, Louis, Louis Francois as their christian names.


So, I would like to find this man’s French military record to establish why he was in Portsmouth/Gosport in 1795 – 10 years before the Battle of Trafalgar? Maybe, he was a prisoner of war at that time too? Maybe records still exists of prisoner exchanges that took place during these times?


I would need to find out where these records are kept and if they are available for the general public to see - in Toulon or elsewhere, then I can plan a visit to the bibliotheque.

Hopefully, you can point me in the right direction

White Mist

PascalMallet
29-03-14, 13:59
Bonjour et ca va?
Thank you for your reply Pascal. I am guessing that “conseil de revision” is a version of “service militaire”, or national service in the UK? Are these records subject to the 100 year rule?


Bonjour,

"Conseil de révision" is to check if men can go to army or not. For your ancestor, that was in 1783. No problem as it is older than 100 years. I guess you already connected to Archives Départementales (AD) in Toulon to get his personnal records such as BMD, census, etc. ("conseil de révision" won't be online, but their website is very complete). I will tell you some information if needed. http://www.archives.var.fr/article.php?larub=97 Military series is under letter R.

A "maître de manœuvre" (or "bosco", English "bosun") is not an officer.



So, I would like to find this man’s French military record to establish why he was in Portsmouth/Gosport in 1795 – 10 years before the Battle of Trafalgar? Maybe, he was a prisoner of war at that time too? Maybe records still exists of prisoner exchanges that took place during these times?

I would need to find out where these records are kept and if they are available for the general public to see - in Toulon or elsewhere, then I can plan a visit to the bibliotheque.


Most military records are kept in Service Historique de la Défense (SHD), in Vincennes, close to Paris. Here is their website: http://www.servicehistorique.sga.defense.gouv.fr/Le-SHD-a-Vincennes.html It seems to be down currently, I will try later to connect and let you know.

You also can connect on Archives Nationales (AN) website: http://www.archives-nationales.culture.gouv.fr/ Military series are kept under letter F.

Of course, you may go to AD in Toulon. Records are easy to access there but you probably won't find prisoners lists and so on.

I hope this helps.

Pascal

White Mist
29-03-14, 16:28
Merci bien Pascal - vous etes gentil.

Je pense que I am trying metre la charrue avant les boeufs!

So, I need to take one step at a time and research the personal records first, the French BMD, census etc, about this man then find the military information afterwards – n’est pas?

Most of the French information that I have about him has been gained from online sites - Family Search (Latter Day Saints), Geneanet and The National Archives UK. So I have not connected with the AD in Toulon yet.

So, I will try to navigate the link that you gave and see what I can do.

White Mist

PascalMallet
29-03-14, 18:03
Merci bien Pascal - vous etes gentil.

Je pense que I am trying metre la charrue avant les boeufs!

So, I need to take one step at a time and research the personal records first, the French BMD, census etc, about this man then find the military information afterwards – n’est pas?

Most of the French information that I have about him has been gained from online sites - Family Search (Latter Day Saints), Geneanet and The National Archives UK. So I have not connected with the AD in Toulon yet.

So, I will try to navigate the link that you gave and see what I can do.

White Mist
Yes, the best is to get easy records first, and Toulon AD website is very good. Few hints:
- Remember that things are different before and after French Revolution. Big changes took place by 1790-1792.
- Before B-M-D records were called B (baptême)-M-S (sépulture), and after N (naissance)-M-D (Décès).
- From 1792, you can look at Tables Décennales (TD) where names are sorted by first letter (sometimes by full name, but you must be cautious). Then you got the record date to search in Etat Civil or Etats Paroissiaux. Sometimes, you also find lists at the end of each year in records files.
- Some months are sometimes abreviated: 7bre means September (not July!), 8bre means October, 9bre ..., and 10bre or Xbre means December.
- If year is between 1 and 14 (XIV), it is Revolutionary calendar (1792-1806): search for explanations on Internet.
- "Recensements" are censuses.
- "Registres matricules" are personal military data but they always start in 1867.
- "Contrôle des actes" (fees) can help you to find a marriage, contract of any kind, will, inventory after death. They are sorted by first letter then by date. Records are not online.

Good luck! (If you can't read records, I can transcript/translate for you)

PiqueFamily
09-05-14, 12:43
Bonjour à tous! I am French and some of my ancestors came from England as lacemakers to produce tulle and lace in Calais. I just posted a new thread asking for some help for English records, but as I am quite comfortable with French records of any kind, I can also give information about how to handle tools for researches in France, especially on French websites.

Hi PascalMallet,

I am writing from England. I have traced and found lots of interesting information on my 4 X Great Grandfather who was born in France

http://www.doversociety.org/LouisPique.html

I do not know where he was born and I know that with French genealogy that is a big problem. I am therefore now looking for help to try and find out where he was born. In his obituary it says he was a 'veteran of the Empire' for Napolean. He also claimed that his Grandfather was Francois Louis Pique the famous violin maker from Mirecourt who then worked in Paris for the rest of his life. I have found lots of information on him, but the dates are very tight and I can't trace his family tree to see if there is a link back to my Louis Pique. He also gives his father as Joseph Pique an army captain, again I can't find him. In the sketches of Louis Pique his clothes look quite American and I wonder if he went to America first as he was 30 when he came to England.

I come from Kent, England and don't know if my area is helpful in your own search.

Kind regards.

PascalMallet
09-05-14, 18:36
Hi,

I found on Internet that François Louis PIQUE died Oct. 27th 1822 in Saint-Maurice, near Paris, and I already got his obituary (I can send it to you by email). I think it is not too difficult to find his baptism record in Mirecourt, and maybe his marriage record. Do you know how to search in French "Archives départementales" websites?

Something is little strange to me: I read that Louis PIQUE married Ann Bartlett in 1817 and you told me that he was about 30 when he came to England, so probably born around 1787. I also read that his grand-father was born in 1757, so his father was probably not born before 1776 and there is no "room" for another generation. Have you an explanation?

About old Paris records, they have been destroyed in 1871 and only a third remains. If father and son were in the Army, they maybe have a file in Service Historique de la Défense (SHD) in Vincennes, near Paris, but very few information is online.

About his coming to England, or maybe America, have you checked on passengers lists?

My English ancestors came from Leicestershire, but I spent two weeks in Kent as a cousin of mine was French teacher in Rye. It was in... 1966 and we went to Hastings to see the 9th century battle celebration.

Kind regards.
Pascal

PiqueFamily
13-05-14, 21:54
Hi, Pascal,

thank you for getting back to me, your reply has only just popped up on my screen so I have only just seen it. I agree the dates for Francois Louis Pique to be Louis Pique's Grandfather are very tight, but on another certificate I have just found it gives his Birth date as 1783 and that he died in 1854 aged 71, so that gives another 4 years, but still very tight. On his marriage certificate, he remarried in 1851 he gives his father as Joseph Pique an army captain, I did wonder if he might have been Spanish as there are a few Joseph Pique's who are Spanish born about 1755, which would be a more realistic date for his father to have been born. I tried to check the (SHD) at Vincennes on line and I did a general search for Louis Pique and Pique on the French National Archives but got zero matches on both. I couldn't find anything on the passenger lists either.
Did you manage to open my link to the website about him? I did come across a Louis Pique who died at Villemobile in 1854 a couple of months before his burial date in England. He did work as a tout for the cross-ferry passengers and in the passengers records I did access there were a couple of entries in the 1850's for a Mr Pique who was given as a 'courier' so I did wonder if that could have been him ans that he died in France and was brought back to England. A bit of a wild and romantic notion, but not entirely impossible. Maybe I should check this other Louis Pique and see if they are the same person.
I know I have a lot of information already maybe even more than most people would for a relative in the early 1800's before photography, but it just makes him more tantalising. I wonder if he was doing equally interesting things before he came to Dover.
King regards,

Lisa

PiqueFamily
14-05-14, 13:07
Hi again Pascal,

I did not realise that you had replied as it did not come up in my notifications box, I only found it when I clicked on your name to see what you had written in the forums and there was your reply to me, so I am not sure where to look now if you reply again and please don't think I'm ignoring you if I don't get back to you straight away because of this. You asked if I know how to search in the Departmental Archives (sorry I can only write the English equivalent because I can not find out how to put the accents on to write in French.) I am a bit of a computer dinosaur. I just tend to put Pique or Louis Pique in search boxes but that may not be the right way to do it. It usually comes up with zero matches. I live very near to Sandwich, where there was a large Hugenot population and Dutch as well, they were all in the cloth industry, and weaving. In Canterbury we also have the Institute of Heraldry and Genealogy that may be able to help you. http://www.ihgs.ac.uk/ I may well go back to the Primary resources of the day, such as Cobbett's 'Rural Rides' and see if I can glean any more information from there. Accounts written by travellers to England through the Port of Dover might mention him as he was obviously a town character. I too have been to France and fell in love with Perigeux. I felt very at home, I suppose that may be my French heritage kicking in.
Kind regards,

Lisa Carter nee(Holness)

PascalMallet
14-05-14, 17:54
Hi Lisa,

No problem for you don't reply too quickly as I was not able to reply to you until now. To be informed about new coming posts, I think there is something you can check in your profile.

First of all, I am still very cautious with Louis being grand-son of François Louis: this is much too tight. We will maybe got the solution with Louis' birth record with their parents names. Maybe François Louis is only a uncle and/or godfather taking care of him... If Joseph was born in 1755, he can't be François Louis' son.

Tomorrow, I will be in National Archives in Paris for my own researches and I can check their QUIDAM database what is not online. It records archives about all famous people of any kind. If I got time, I will go to SHD for you to check if there is something about a Captain Joseph Pique (but I won't see the file as you need to order it and wait about... 3-4 weeks before you come back). I will also check in war pensioners list if Joseph or Louis got something.

Yes, I opened you link about Dover but I look only at first page. Is there other information about Mr. Pique? I also checked for a record in Villemomble near Paris but the records are not yet online for that area (département 93). Maybe I can ask them to check that record for you. Do you know his exact date of death?

I hope I will soon return to you with some new information.

Kind regards.
Pascal

PascalMallet
14-05-14, 18:05
Hi again Lisa,

We will talk later about surfing in French archives. Maybe tomorrow, I got something interesting in Paris and it will be a good start to go further in Department archives.

I was born near Paris but I now live in South-West, 170km North of Toulouse. My son lives in Périgueux and we will go there next Monday. Many English live in this beautiful area (called Dordogne), maybe because of history as that part of France has belonged to England for a while.

Kind regards.
Pascal

PiqueFamily
14-05-14, 22:31
Hi Pascal,
say a big hello to Perigeux for me.
Sorry to be confusing but I don't know that Joseph Pique was born in 1755, this was just an approximation.
I though I would tell you the links I might have found
here goes:
Joseph Pique and Jean Rousseau 1784 found in Inventaire Summarie de archives departmentales anterueres a 1970 archives, ecclesiastiques, series G.H (French) - Archives de la Haute Saone. I actually found it and tried to pastle in the link but it is really long. It is on Ancestory.co.uk under Haute-Saone, brief inventory prior to 1790 departmental archives, church archives, series G,H it is on page 22 of 199 and is in the third column. - apologies again that I can't put the proper French symbols in. Interestingly one of Luis Pique's children was named John James Rousseau Latandres Pique. When I saw it I thought it was familiar.
I think that is all I have.


I also found a Joseph Pique born 23rd June 1754 in Olot, Gerona, Spain

A Joseph Pique born 26th October 1761, Santos Bartolne Y Tecla, Sitges, Barcelona, Spain. I don't know if it specified that he was a French Army Captain, maybe that was just assumed.

The Louis Pique that died in France was 13th July 1754 Vitry-Le Francois. My Louis Pique died in April, so won't fit.
I appreciate all your help,

Lisa

PascalMallet
17-05-14, 14:58
Dear Lisa,

I wonder if you don’t go in too many directions. If Louis PIQUE who’s been in Dover was François Louis PIQUE’s (born in East of France and violin maker in Paris) grand-son, there is very tiny chance he got some Spanish family between. For the moment, I just discard that possibility.

As I told you, I was in Paris archives, and here is what I found:
SHD (Army archives):
- officers records: the only possible matching is PIQUE Jean, born in Paris. His file is 2Ye 3274/56. I will try to order it and check next time I go to Paris.
- pensioners records: no matching.
National archives:
- no matching in QUIDAM database.
Paris archives:
- birth record of François Louis PIQUE, 27 Floréal an XIII (May 15th 1805), father François Louis PIQUE, violin maker, mother Marguerite Agnès PAYEN.
- marriage record of the same (?) on Nov. 11th 1828, he is a lawyer, father François Louis PIQUE, deceased, mother Marguerite Agnès PAYEN.
- birth and marriage records of Louis PIQUE (1808 and 1832), but father is Jean Baptiste PIQUE.

As Paris archives before 1860 have been destroyed by fire, the information are very tiny. Of course, I can email you the pictures I took.

Little hint: to write “é”, you can hold the Alt key down and type “130” on digits keyboard. It works in many software. From “128” to “168”, you will go other foreign letters.

I hope this helps.

Pascal

PascalMallet
17-05-14, 15:12
Merci bien Pascal - vous etes gentil.

Je pense que I am trying metre la charrue avant les boeufs!

So, I need to take one step at a time and research the personal records first, the French BMD, census etc, about this man then find the military information afterwards – n’est pas?

Most of the French information that I have about him has been gained from online sites - Family Search (Latter Day Saints), Geneanet and The National Archives UK. So I have not connected with the AD in Toulon yet.

So, I will try to navigate the link that you gave and see what I can do.

White Mist

Dear White Mist,

I just return from Paris, and I did some researches for you at SHD (Army archives).

No Louis François HERMITTE in pensioners records. The only interesting track if Louis Mathieu HERMITTE born Oct. 5th 1791 in Marseille and who was an officer. Maybe a relative. His file is 2Ye 1971 and I will order it for next time I go there.

I also found something about La Formidable which has been at battle on 17 and 24 Messidor an IX (July 6th and 13th 1801). There is a list of dead and wounded and maybe Louis Mathieu was part of the wounded.

For crew lists, they are not in Paris, but at Navy archives in Toulon (not department archives). Maybe I will go to Toulon end of August for my own research, so I can make a detour.

Have you found something new on your side?

Kind regards.
Pascal

PiqueFamily
17-05-14, 21:09
Hi,
Pascal thank you for doing this, I agree I tend to go off on lots of tangents at the same time. Interesting that Francois Pique the violin maker had a son called Louis Francois Pique, but he was obviously too young to be my Great grandfather so now I know this doesn't fit.

I think that the Joseph Pique and Jean Rousseau 1784 found in Inventaire Summarie de archives departmentales anterueres a 1790 archives, ecclesiastiques, series G.H (French) - Archives de la Haute Saone looked promising, they could have had children that would match the timeline for Louis - what do you think of this? With the Rousseau name also being given to one of Louis' children I thought this looked quite a strong possibility. I tried to look up the Haute Saone records, but really couldn't find my way around them. My Mum thinks Louis Pique was making all this up, but I'd like to think some of the things he said were true. I wondered that perhaps he like to say to people that his name was Francois Louis Pique, 'after the well known violin maker' and people in Dover, probably thought that he meant he was related to him. Maybe is was just a matter of 'chinese whispers'.

Thank you again for checking all this,

Lisa

PiqueFamily
17-05-14, 21:57
Hi Pascal,

you did mention that you could send me a copy of Louis obituary in Dover, that would be great as I can't find it,

Thank you,

Lisa

PiqueFamily
17-05-14, 22:15
Hi,
sorry it's me again I just meant to also tell you that I looked up onhttp://www.archives-recherche.vosges.fr/archive/recherche/etatcivil/n:2 and checked for Francois Louis Pique the violin makers birth (just out of interest.) It wasn't very easy for me to read it although the manuscripts are beautiful! I thought I saw one entry but it was La Pique.
Not sure if this is helpful as we now don't think there is a link, just two people having similar names?

Lisa

PascalMallet
18-05-14, 13:51
Dear Lisa,

To check in French AD (archives départementales), you first need to know the name of the town where the event has issued. If you got it, I will tell you how to manage with website. If not, it's hopeless.

I agree with your mother (we should always listen to our mums ;)) about what Louis PIQUE said or not, but your thoughts about what people might understand is possible too.

To reply to your other post, I got François Louis PIQUE's obituary, but he is that violin maker and he died close to Paris. I can send it to you if you tell me your private email as I don't know how to do it here.

Kind regards.
Pascal

PascalMallet
18-05-14, 13:55
Hi,
sorry it's me again I just meant to also tell you that I looked up onhttp://www.archives-recherche.vosges.fr/archive/recherche/etatcivil/n:2 and checked for Francois Louis Pique the violin makers birth (just out of interest.) It wasn't very easy for me to read it although the manuscripts are beautiful! I thought I saw one entry but it was La Pique.
Not sure if this is helpful as we now don't think there is a link, just two people having similar names?

Lisa

As far as I know, François Louis PIQUE was born in Mirecourt about 1757 (he was about 65 when he died in 1822). Did you look in Mirecourt archives and what is the number of the view/page so I can see it by myself?

PiqueFamily
18-05-14, 17:50
Hi Pascal,

the exact link is below, but if this doesn't work it is under Mirecourt, Baptisms 1758, page 10 0f 36, entry number 120.

http://www.archives-recherche.vosges.fr/ark:/50275%20/vta528b689dda579/daogrp/0/layout:table/idsearch:RECH_9e5c2564657a945ba85452eded2cb28c#id: 548088398?center=776,-1094

You didn't mention it, so I'm not sure if you saw the message I sent, but I am still feeling that the Joseph Pique and Jean Rousseau link in the
Inventaire Summarie de archives departmentales anterueres a 1790 archives, ecclesiastiques, series G.H (French) is worth looking into. I do not know, so can you tell me what an Inventaire Summarie was. I am getting in touch with people as well that have trees on our family to see if they know anything else. I think it is strange to say your Father is a French Army Captain if he wasn't particularly at this time in Dover. It has been mused that he was a Prisoner of War and I also found an account of a Cadet Pique in the Middlesex Courts in England that was acquitted of larceny in 1815 and he gave his age as 30 which would be possible as he didn't arrive in Dover until 1815 and it also fits with the birth year he gives in the census. Is Cadet a rank on the French Army or Navy. I have rechecked the record, there is no more given than the details I have told you.
Kind regards,

Lisa

PascalMallet
18-05-14, 18:27
Hi Pascal,

the exact link is below, but if this doesn't work it is under Mirecourt, Baptisms 1758, page 10 0f 36, entry number 120.

http://www.archives-recherche.vosges.fr/ark:/50275%20/vta528b689dda579/daogrp/0/layout:table/idsearch:RECH_9e5c2564657a945ba85452eded2cb28c#id: 548088398?center=776,-1094



Hi Lisa,

I have checked that link and that boy is named LE BEGUE, not LE PIQUE, and first names don't fit either.

I will look at other matter later.

Kind regards.
Pascal

PascalMallet
16-09-14, 15:34
Merci bien Pascal - vous etes gentil.

Je pense que I am trying metre la charrue avant les boeufs!

So, I need to take one step at a time and research the personal records first, the French BMD, census etc, about this man then find the military information afterwards – n’est pas?

Most of the French information that I have about him has been gained from online sites - Family Search (Latter Day Saints), Geneanet and The National Archives UK. So I have not connected with the AD in Toulon yet.

So, I will try to navigate the link that you gave and see what I can do.

White Mist

Bonjour White Mist,

As I told you in my previous post (dated May, I suppose), I thought to go in Navy archives in Toulon... and I did. I found some information interesting for you. As military archives are very hard to manage, I thought I will go there again, probably before the end of this year.

I also post that message to your private address.

Pascal

webwiz
05-11-14, 11:40
Mon cher Pascal

A friend of a friend was adopted into an English family. She was told that her natural grandfather was the tightrope walker Blondin. Blondin was born on 28 February 1824 at St Omer, Pas-de-Calais, France. His real name was Jean-François Gravelet and he was known also by the names Charles Blondin, Jean-François Blondin and called the "Chevalier Blondin", or simply "The Great Blondin".
I think that most or all of his children may have been born outside France, but I would like to know if you can find any born in France and also anything about his parents.

Michel

PascalMallet
05-11-14, 17:25
Mon cher Pascal

A friend of a friend was adopted into an English family. She was told that her natural grandfather was the tightrope walker Blondin. Blondin was born on 28 February 1824 at St Omer, Pas-de-Calais, France. His real name was Jean-François Gravelet and he was known also by the names Charles Blondin, Jean-François Blondin and called the "Chevalier Blondin", or simply "The Great Blondin".
I think that most or all of his children may have been born outside France, but I would like to know if you can find any born in France and also anything about his parents.

Michel

Cher Michel (are you French?)

I made a quick search in Saint-Omer but I found nothing. By chance, I found information on www.geneanet.org (http://www.geneanet.org) as he was born in Hesdin (here is the link to his birth record: http://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/console/ir_seriel_visu.php?SID=k2l0envir6idqad9lfbsfpb9d2&id=162909321&l=1904&h=944&titre=162909321 (if you can't get it, I will picture it for you). They also say about his parents and grand-parents who also had circus jobs (father was a gymnast and grandfather was a "jumpers director"). He married in Tarascon (Bouches-du-Rhône, 13, South of France) on Aug. 6th 1846 with Marie Blancheri. I can lead you to those records as well if you wish. Website speaks about a sister, but no children. As he was a travelling man, his children are recorded here and there, and they will be very hard to find... There is no Gravelet birth in 1846-1852 in Tarascon, but fortunately, their marriage record shows they want to legitimate a boy (Aimé Léopold) born on June 9th 1846 in Vauvert (Gard, 30). They also have signed a contract what could be very interesting to know their belongings, but it needs to go to Marseilles to read it.

I hope this helps.

Bien cordialement.
Pascal

webwiz
05-11-14, 18:37
Hi Pascal

Thank you for the very quick reply. No I am not French and to be honest my name is Michael. Your English is so good that I will not embarrass us both by trying my French.

The information you have already provided is fascinating, but if you have the time to dig deeper my friend would really appreciate it. I tried the link to his birth but got a 250 page document which is hard to read. I would like to see the record of his marriage with Marie Blancheri. Also is there any record of Aime Leopold getting married and having children. By the way the surname is probably Gravelét (it is hard to do an accent with my English keyboard).

Thanks again. If you ever need any research into UK on-line records that you can't access I owe you a favour.

Michael

PascalMallet
05-11-14, 19:19
I thought my link goes directly to the right page. As it is not, choose page 45 in the upper right corner. You can adjust zoom, light (luminosité) and contrast. I will give you a quick translation later on. I will also picture his marriage record and send it to you. His wife probably died, unless they divorced, as I read on Wikipédia that he was buried with two wives, but no Marie/Mary. Maybe you can find something about her in England?

No big chance to find anything about their children in France, as they moved from place to place and records are not yet centralized in France. Maybe Aimé married in England as well? No Aimé Gravelet on www.geneanet.org (http://www.geneanet.org). About their family name, don't add any accent or it won't be French (ending "et" is pronounced "é").

Speaking of me, my great-grand-mother was English and her parents came from Leicestershire to produce lace in Calais, so I will probably need some help one day...

Pascal

PascalMallet
06-11-14, 15:07
Hi Michael,

I got a Word document for you but I don't know how to send it from here. I will try with a private message.

The document mentionned in their marriage record is not a contract but a permission to marry by her parents, so no much interest. About their son, we have no luck. On 99 French départements, only 5 or 6 are not yet online and Gard (n°30) is one of them! It won't be online before 2017... Fortunately, I am passing by sometimes and I can make a detour (and say my wife to go shopping...). No charge for me, of course, but I will send you my wife's invoice... :-)

If your friend wants more, I will tell you how to find other records online ("Give a fish to a man, he will eat one day. Teach him how to fish, he will eat every day...")

Pascal

Elaine ..Spain
01-12-14, 15:28
Hi Pascal,
I wonder if you could help.
I have found some information on an Ancestry tree which I am trying to confirm.

Dettmer, George Thomas b 1798 - d 1843 (London) (occ. Professor of Music / Pianoforte Maker)
- married Susanne Payne - died 24 April 1832 Paris

Children:
Rosina Emelia Dettmer
born 12 Jul 1824 - Paris,France
died 20 March 1852 (London)

Eloise/Heloise Elizabeth Dettmer
born 5 May 1828 - Paris ... not sure if this is a birth date, or baptism date - also found a mention of baptism 5 May 1828 British Embassy Chapel, France
died 1910 (Essex)

Georgina Dettmer
born 19 May 1830 - Paris, Île-de-France
died 11 December 1839 - Islington, London, England

Julliet Rhoda Dettmer
born 18 April 1832 - Paris, Île-de-France
died 30 April 1832 - Paris, Île-de-France


Any suggestions where I might find source records for the Paris events?

PascalMallet
02-12-14, 10:27
Hi Elaine,

Thanks for you message.

Problem with Paris is that records before 1860 have been destroyed by a big fire in 1870, so a lot are missing. They have been partly "reconstructed", but on Internet, you can only check names. If you find something, you must go to Paris to see record on microfilms (even record can have very poor information).

I found no Dettmer online but maybe sorting is not good as it is not a French name. You can check by yourself using that link: http://canadp-archivesenligne.paris.fr/archives_etat_civil/avant_1860_fichiers_etat_civil_reconstitue/index.php then choosing "naissance" (birth) and name. Anyway, you don't find record itself but only information that record exists and "arrondissement" (district) where to find it.

I go to Paris on Dec. 19th and I will check in Paris archives if I got time.

About Payne, I found no Susanne. The only three death records are Mary Ann d. 16/04/1851, Marie Ann d. 28/09/1856, and William Edward d. 05/07/1838.

Kind regards

Elaine ..Spain
02-12-14, 10:34
Many thanks for your reply Pascal. I'll take a look at the link you have given.

Re Susanne Payne - she was the wife of George Thomas Dettmer, so presume her death record would be under the name of Susanne Dettmer! Apologies for the confusion!

PascalMallet
02-12-14, 10:51
On French records, married women always keep their maiden name, sometimes with "spouse X" or "widow X" added.

Elaine ..Spain
02-12-14, 11:16
On French records, married women always keep their maiden name, sometimes with "spouse X" or "widow X" added.
You learn something new every day! Thanks for clarifying.

Moorea
31-12-14, 16:53
Just to add something...
The only 2 cases it is not the case as far as I know are for "military pensions" and "burial records" that are kept in cemetaries.

Happy New Year All!

Romain

PascalMallet
03-01-15, 14:01
Just to add something...
The only 2 cases it is not the case as far as I know are for "military pensions" and "burial records" that are kept in cemetaries.

Happy New Year All!

Romain
Thanks for that, Romain, and Happy New Year to you too!

markoid1
11-08-15, 13:21
Hello Pascal, are you still on the forum?

Regards

Mark

PascalMallet
11-08-15, 13:49
Hello Pascal, are you still on the forum?

Regards

Mark
Hello Mark,

Yes I'm still here.

What do you need to know?

markoid1
12-08-15, 08:49
Hello Mark,

Yes I'm still here.

What do you need to know?

Hi Pascal,

I just wanted to check I'm accessing the French records correctly.

Firstly I find the approximate place (in my case this may be the Somme, Pas de Calais and Nord! departments! - as I'm looking for a World War one serviceman marriage to a French woman). Then I check the 10 year list for her birth. Once I find the entry (which confirms her birth) I then go to the more detailed naissance and see what I can find? If I'm right, that is a huge amount of records to check? Each village in each department..there are hundreds in each department... :( Makes it more rewarding in the end I guess!

I did a surname check and it seems as though the surname (Sophy Jeanne Joly b.1877) is very common in Pas de Calais too, so I think I'll start there if I'm doing it right.

Regards

Mark

P.S

I've already considered she may have been Belgian or French-Canadian. I have asked some distant relatives for more information. But unlikely to get much. I know his regiment served in the 3 departments mentioned - so it is more likely she was French. I think ;)

PascalMallet
12-08-15, 11:11
Hi Mark,

French records are much more detailed than in England, but on the other hand, they are not (yet) centralized, so you first must know WHERE before to access.

About your search, I don't understand if you have already read 10 year lists (I suppose you speak of "Tables décennales") or if you plan to do it (it is the correct way to do, but you must know the town before to read them cause they are "town relative").

What else have you got in their marriage record? Did they marry in France or in the groom's country (you don't say which country he was from)? If they married in France, as the warfront was not moving much (trenches), maybe you can see near which towns his regiment was and shorten you search that way, unless he met her where he was rested or in a hospital... As I have done a lot of search myself about my grand-father who died in North of France in 1914 (if you are interested, I wrote something about his last days there and part is already in English), I learnt that English troops were mostly rested in Armentières. Was she a "Mademoiselle from Armentières", as in that song?

The other way is to see genealogy websites, such as www.geneanet.org (http://www.geneanet.org) (I searched it for you and found nothing) or www.genealogie.com (http://www.genealogie.com). You are right to say that Joly is a very common name in North of France, but Sophie (not Sophy) is not so common, so it can shorten your search on Internet.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards.
Pascal

markoid1
13-08-15, 08:49
Hi Mark,

French records are much more detailed than in England, but on the other hand, they are not (yet) centralized, so you first must know WHERE before to access.

About your search, I don't understand if you have already read 10 year lists (I suppose you speak of "Tables décennales") or if you plan to do it (it is the correct way to do, but you must know the town before to read them cause they are "town relative").

What else have you got in their marriage record? Did they marry in France or in the groom's country (you don't say which country he was from)? If they married in France, as the warfront was not moving much (trenches), maybe you can see near which towns his regiment was and shorten you search that way, unless he met her where he was rested or in a hospital... As I have done a lot of search myself about my grand-father who died in North of France in 1914 (if you are interested, I wrote something about his last days there and part is already in English), I learnt that English troops were mostly rested in Armentières. Was she a "Mademoiselle from Armentières", as in that song?

The other way is to see genealogy websites, such as www.geneanet.org (http://www.geneanet.org) (I searched it for you and found nothing) or www.genealogie.com (http://www.genealogie.com). You are right to say that Joly is a very common name in North of France, but Sophie (not Sophy) is not so common, so it can shorten your search on Internet.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards.
Pascal

Her husband was English, and they did not marry in the UK. I've spent a number of months looking, but nothing found. I know he was in the army and served in France with the Royal Warwickshire Regiment. So, I will cross reference their places of station and look for the close towns and work that way.

I would be interested in reading your story about your grand-father.

Thanks for your help, it will help me focus the search.

Regards

Mark

PascalMallet
13-08-15, 11:45
Hi Mark,

May you tell me that soldier's name? Maybe I could find something on my side.

I will send you a private message with the files I told you.

Regards.
Pascal

markoid1
13-08-15, 13:10
Hi Mark,

May you tell me that soldier's name? Maybe I could find something on my side.

I will send you a private message with the files I told you.

Regards.
Pascal

Hi Pascal,

His name was John William Reading b.1876. I found a Jeanne Sophie Joly on Genealogie, but think some information was redacted on the naissance (Challes-les-Eaux, archives de la Savoir 1875-1890). I can't post the images, but there was nothing written in the margin that I could see.

Jeanne Poche
07-07-16, 07:09
Bonjour! Are you still available to help with finding records? If so please let me know as I could really use some help.

Thank you,

PascalMallet
08-07-16, 10:25
Bonjour! Are you still available to help with finding records? If so please let me know as I could really use some help.

Thank you,

Hello Jeanne,

Yes, I am still available to help you. My purpose is more to teach you how to find records than to find them for you, except first ones of course.

Pascal

Jeanne Poche
09-07-16, 03:08
Hello Jeanne,

Yes, I am still available to help you. My purpose is more to teach you how to find records than to find them for you, except first ones of course.

Pascal

This is wonderful news. I am trying to find more information on my ancestor who immigrated to Louisiana in the US sometime between 1715 and 1724. He was born in St Omer in 1679 and I am guessing that he came over here with the John Law concessions. However he is not on any of the ship's passenger lists. Do you know where I can find embarcation records in France? The first record I can find for him is a census report from the German Coast in Louisiana which lists his age and where he is from. He either left from Calais or L'orient. Any assistance from here would be great.

Thank you,

jeanne

PascalMallet
09-07-16, 15:21
This is wonderful news. I am trying to find more information on my ancestor who immigrated to Louisiana in the US sometime between 1715 and 1724. He was born in St Omer in 1679 and I am guessing that he came over here with the John Law concessions. However he is not on any of the ship's passenger lists. Do you know where I can find embarcation records in France? The first record I can find for him is a census report from the German Coast in Louisiana which lists his age and where he is from. He either left from Calais or L'orient. Any assistance from here would be great.

Thank you,

jeanne

Hi Jeanne,

I don't think I can help you much, as the kind of information you search for is not online here in France. The only place I know where you could find passengers lists is National Archives in Paris, but you must go there. Maybe at French Navy Archives too. If you tell me the name of your ancestor, I will ask them about.

If your ancestor is Jacques Lachapelle dit Poche, I got something about him on the website I subscribe to...

Kind regards.

Pascal

Jeanne Poche
10-07-16, 01:29
You are very good. Yes that is the one I am currently researching. There is a lot of mis-information on-line about him and I would love something legit. I will give you my personal email if you prefer: (email address removed)

Thank you again,

Jeanne

Elaine ..Spain
10-07-16, 07:29
Sorry Jeanne, we do not allow email addresses to be pubished on the forum. It would be better for you to send Pascal a private message and send your email address that way. Just click on his username to the left of his post and you will see a message option.

PascalMallet
11-07-16, 11:31
You are very good. Yes that is the one I am currently researching. There is a lot of mis-information on-line about him and I would love something legit. I will give you my personal email if you prefer: (email address removed)

Thank you again,

Jeanne


Hi Jeanne,

As I have not got a private message from you yet, I reply here. Lachapelle was Jacques's family name and for any reason, he was called ("dit") Poche. He was born in Saint-Omer in about 1679 and died in 1747 aged 68 in Saint-Charles, Lafourch(e) parish, US Louisiana. He married Eliza Champion (no more information about her, but maybe another name to search in passengers lists if they came together from France). They got a son named François, born in Cannes Brûlées in 1730. If you have come upto Jacques, you probably know about all the rest.

I can't do anything for you about passengers lists, but here is the link to find his birth record : http://www.archivespasdecalais.fr/Archives-en-ligne (hoping you can read French).
Then click on [Etat civil] then on [Actes]. In [Lieu] (place), type "Omer", then choose first of 7 parishes, in [Année] (year), type "1679", and in [Recherche par type d'acte], click [Baptêmes]. That's won't be easy and only give you the name of his parents.

Pascal

Jeanne Poche
12-07-16, 19:23
Wow this is fantastic! It will take me some time to go through but what a treasure. When I stop to think about it, it is amazing this documentation even exists! I have one more thing that I'd like to check with you. My french is so-so and I wanted to see if you are familiar with the website: famillesparisiennes.org I found a listing for the family Poche at about the right time and it has his name?? But I cant tell what this document was that they are listed in? Any information on this website would be helpful.

Thank you again for all you have done.

Jeanne

PascalMallet
13-07-16, 09:13
Hi Jeanne,

If you go through St-Omer parish acts, after you choose the parish you want and before to see the pictures, you can read how the register is organized, so you can more faster. Sometimes, BMS (S = sépulture = burial) are together, sometimes they are apart. Sometimes, priest wrote "B" and a family name. Remember that 1679 has been calculated from Jacques's age when he died. His birth can be upto 5 years more or less. Good luck! When you find the act, tell me the parish and page number and I will read it for you.

Paris records has been destroyed by fire in 1870, so acts before 1860 have been "reconstructed" from different sources, but is still far to be complete. famillesparisiennes.org project is to find information in more sources (they list them and you can translate by Google). It is a long-time work. Of course, there are some Poche, but only in Paris. As people didn't move much before the end of 19th century, I guess you have no ancestor there.

Pascal

Jeanne Poche
14-07-16, 02:23
Hi Jeanne,

If you go through St-Omer parish acts, after you choose the parish you want and before to see the pictures, you can read how the register is organized, so you can more faster. Sometimes, BMS (S = sépulture = burial) are together, sometimes they are apart. Sometimes, priest wrote "B" and a family name. Remember that 1679 has been calculated from Jacques's age when he died. His birth can be upto 5 years more or less. Good luck! When you find the act, tell me the parish and page number and I will read it for you.

Paris records has been destroyed by fire in 1870, so acts before 1860 have been "reconstructed" from different sources, but is still far to be complete. famillesparisiennes.org project is to find information in more sources (they list them and you can translate by Google). It is a long-time work. Of course, there are some Poche, but only in Paris. As people didn't move much before the end of 19th century, I guess you have no ancestor there.

Pascal


Thank you for all your help. I started to just look for 1679, but then I decided to look at every page as I want to find all information on any of the family members. So far I think I have reviewed over 1,200 pages. I am grateful for the pages which were written with a "lite hand" as they are easier to read and don't show through from the back of the page. I am amazed with every page I see that this information is still available and I am very grateful for you too! Thank you again for all your help!

jen1302
18-02-17, 16:00
hi Pascal i'm hoping you can help my mum is trying to find her descendants from Lourches there name are
Theodore Laude born 17 January 1912 in Lourches if any marriage or children

Edward Gustavaguard or gustavagand

Marchand names
Edward and marie
Mari Jeanne.
josett
George
Andre & jeannette
Andre had daughter Sandrina and georgette can't remember other.
George had 2 sons John Francois and pascal or pascal
Edward and marie

PascalMallet
18-02-17, 19:40
hi Pascal i'm hoping you can help my mum is trying to find her descendants from Lourches there name are
Theodore Laude born 17 January 1912 in Lourches if any marriage or children

Hi,

Yes, I am still there to help. I found that birth in 1912 births list, but records online stop in 1911. So I have to ask the city of Lourches. I will call them on Monday and I hope I can get a copy of that record by email within few days. Is it what you need?

To find marriage and children will be difficult online, as lists stop in 1932 (Theodore was 20-21) and he didn't marry in Lourches. Also, marriages usely take place in bride's home town. Or do you mean Theodore's parents wedding?

Pascal



Edward Gustavaguard or gustavagand

Marchand names
Edward and marie
Mari Jeanne.
josett
George
Andre & jeannette
Andre had daughter Sandrina and georgette can't remember other.
George had 2 sons John Francois and pascal or pascal
Edward and marie

I don't understand what you mean...

jen1302
20-02-17, 03:15
were trying to find out where Theodore was married and if he did marry at all.

And where our other family came from the Surname Marchand and Gustavaguard or Gustavagand were not sure how it is spelt that name as there related to my mums nana Jeanne Laude born Lourches.

ichabod
17-07-17, 15:30
were trying to find out where Theodore was married and if he did marry at all.

And where our other family came from the Surname Marchand and Gustavaguard or Gustavagand were not sure how it is spelt that name as there related to my mums nana Jeanne Laude born Lourches.

Jen,

I would find very surprizing that Gustavaguard or gustavagand would exist as french names.

I would suggest to split it into "Gustave" (which exist as a firstname) plus someting else (Like "Agarde" or "Agand" ??)

Rgds,

M.