Need help for English records

[PascalMallet]

Bonjour à tous! I am French and some of my ancestors came from England as lacemakers to produce tulle and lace in Calais. I am quite comfortable with French records of any kind, but it seems to be different in England (especially for searching on Internet) and I need some help. The first records I'm searching for are in Leicestershire (1780's to 1850's), and also a wedding in Dover.

[Macbev]

Bonsoir Pascal. If you can post the names and dates of people you are researching, I am sure there will be forum members who will be happy to help you look.

[WendyPusey]

FreeREg has some BMD's transcribed. Depends on which parish you want.

http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/Search.pl

[Elaine]

Bonjour Pascal

I have lots of marriages to cover those dates

[liz hutchison]

Hi aand welcome give us few names and closet tes an place an I am sure this forum ill help you, Lizzy

[PascalMallet]

Thank you for your replies. Here is what I got and what I search for.

My father's grand-mother's parents were George HALL & Charlotte FARRANDS. They possibly got married in Dover in 1846 (this has to be confirmed).

George HALL was born in Quorndon (Leic.) on Nov. 21, 1823 (that is the only record I got). He died in Calais in 1896. His father was George HALL who died in Ibstock (Leic.) on March 25, 1852 and was probably born there in 1790-1800. George HALL Jr.'s mother was Ann GODBER who died in Calais in 1854 and was born in Sileby (Leic.) ca. 1792. I got some information they could have been married in Nottingham in 1807.

Charlotte FARRANDS died in Calais in 1898 and was born ca. 1821 but I don't know where. Her father was William FARRANDS who was born in Westbrigford (Nott.) ca. 1787 (parents were John and Suzanne STANLEY) and died in Calais in 1866. Her mother was Anna BUTLER whom I got not information yet. As they got two sons born ca. 1810, they probably got married ca. 1810 too, and Anna BUTLER was probably born ca. 1790.

I hope you can help me.

[PascalMallet]

Thank you, Wendy.

I already subscribed to FreeREg, but I am not comfortable with it yet. My first steps there just made me think that it is much different (and harder) to do researches in English websites than I'm used to here. Also, there seems to be much less information in English records comparing to what we got here, and I am a little confused about how far I can go into past.

[AntonyM]

Charlotte FARRANDS and George HALL did marry in Dover in Q4 (OCT-DEC) of 1846 The reference is vol 5 page 225. Using those details you can order a copy of the marriage certificate from here (cost £9.25):

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

The certificate should confirm their father's names and occupations.

[Elaine]

Here's the marriage for Ann Godber

Sileby 08-Jun 1812 Banns
George Hall
Anne Godber

no information given as to where they were living

have a burial entry for George

George Hall M BURI 30 MAR 1852 64 Yrs

also found another burial ref

Parish Ibstock GEORGE HALL Abode ST PIERES CALAIS 30-Mar 1852 64......c 1778

The only Godber marriage I could find at all!

Sileby 10-Jul 1783 Banns
William Godber Of this parish
Mary Fisher Of this parish Spinster

[clematised]

Familysearch has the marriage at St Mary the Virgin, Dover, Kent, 1st December 1846 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NN6V-Y31 Charlotte's father is named as William Farrands ........Edna

[Elaine]

I did find a Farrands Butler marriage
21 June 1807
St Mary Nottingham William Farrands and HANNAH BUTLER

born to them and baptisms at St Nicholas Nottingham
Ann 18 July 1809
Edwin 17 Mar 1811
Frederic 5 Feb 1819...living in Castle gate father's occupation warehouseman

and St Mary
Susannah 3 Oct 1807
George 10 Jan 1813....living Plumtree place Occ Hosier
Frances 21 Dec 1814...living Plum Tree Street Lace manufacturer

[Elaine]

Baptism for William Farrands

28 May 1787 John and Susanna West Bridgford St Giles

There is also at the same church

John 2 Aug 1789
Richard 10 Sep 1797

John Farrands married Susannah Trace 29 Jun 1786 St Giles

[Elaine]

Have found a copy of their marriage and banns which I will save for you

George and Charlotte
Occupations for George and William, the father's, lace manufacturers
marriage witnesses William Hall and Emma Farrands

Dec 1 1846

[Elaine]

William Godber was a framework knitter, have quite a bit for Sileby

Ann was baptised 1 Apr 1792 parents William and Mary, there are 8 children in all and I can post that when you have collected the rest together and had a look

William is buried 18 Mar 1801

All that is different is the marriage of John Farrands to Susanna and if you think William's wife is Hannah not Anna, but as always, these will need checking with the orignals...might be able to help out there

[foxyloxy]

Hi Pascal

Welcome, I think we all can empathise with you, we each get used to our own record system and find it difficult when looking in another country

This might help you Genuki is always a good website to look at and gives you information about the counties http://genuki.org.uk/

Quorn village website with lots of genealogy information on it http://www.quorndon.com/index.php

Freebmd will give you bmd civil registrations from registered fro Sept 1837 to about 1970-83 in England and Wales http://www.freebmd.org.uk

...and for added interest Nottingham Lace Market area http://www.experiencenottinghamshire...market-history

[PascalMallet]

Charlotte FARRANDS and George HALL did marry in Dover in Q4 (OCT-DEC) of 1846 The reference is vol 5 page 225. Using those details you can order a copy of the marriage certificate from here (cost £9.25):

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

The certificate should confirm their father's names and occupations.

Thank you for that information. I will contact them if I can't find that record another way. Do we have to pay for any record? Is it possible to go to the Records Office and how does it work then?

[PascalMallet]

Familysearch has the marriage at St Mary the Virgin, Dover, Kent, 1st December 1846 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NN6V-Y31 Charlotte's father is named as William Farrands ........Edna

Thanks Edna.

[PascalMallet]

William Godber was a framework knitter, have quite a bit for Sileby

Ann was baptised 1 Apr 1792 parents William and Mary, there are 8 children in all and I can post that when you have collected the rest together and had a look

William is buried 18 Mar 1801

All that is different is the marriage of John Farrands to Susanna and if you think William's wife is Hannah not Anna, but as always, these will need checking with the orignals...might be able to help out there

I have been away from this website for few days because Sunday was my birthday, and it was not enough than one day to recover. Now, I just discover that second page to my thread. So, thank you so much Elaine for all those information.

It also links to other material I already got in National Archives in Paris, as William FARRANDS has become French in 1829 (nobody's perfect!...). So I already got his birth date (and baptism record) without knowing it, and maybe other details I have to check. The papers coming from England were with nice wax seals and I will send you the pictures if you want.

It seems most of those people worked in lace productions. Edwin and George FARRANDS had some patents in France, and I got those documents too, for anyone interested in lace making.

To reply to your question about Hannah/Anna, "Hannah" is used in the French succession document I got. I just Wonder if it could be a Jewish first name (that is how it would be in France).

I don't know how far it is possible (and easy) to go. In France, the oldest record I got is dated 1611, and yesterday a man spoke in a TV show he went back to year 242! 64 or 65 générations, but only possible because a line crossed some nobility, and not only in France. Let's have a dream!

[PascalMallet]

Hi Pascal

Welcome, I think we all can empathise with you, we each get used to our own record system and find it difficult when looking in another country

This might help you Genuki is always a good website to look at and gives you information about the counties http://genuki.org.uk/

Quorn village website with lots of genealogy information on it http://www.quorndon.com/index.php

Freebmd will give you bmd civil registrations from registered fro Sept 1837 to about 1970-83 in England and Wales http://www.freebmd.org.uk

...and for added interest Nottingham Lace Market area http://www.experiencenottinghamshire...market-history

Hi Foxyloxy,

You are right to tell it is not easy to open our mind to another system. It is why I created another thread to offer my help in France. What I hope in England is not to pay for each record I need, besides of price, it is also a question of time spent (almost all parish and civil records are online and free in France). I don't imagine having people searching for me either.

So, thank you for the link to Genuki and Lace Market. I will go there tonight. I am already in touch with Quorn village, and I plan to visit Leicestershire this summer. It is strange how genealogical researches make you discover many other things (here lace making). There is a very good museum in Calais, and I guess there is one in Nottingham too. It seems to be the "craddle" of mechanical lace.

[PeteW1959]

Most information can be searched for free in the UK if you go to local libraries, local archives or The National Archive (TNA). This includes parish records, census returns, military records, passenger lists etc. etc. Most of this information is available online from Find My Past or Ancestry, but you have to pay a subscription. Family Search is free, but their records are limited.

However one notable exception are civil registration certificates. These were produced from Sept 1837 until the present day for births, marriages and deaths and are held at local record offices with copies at the General Register Office (GRO) in London. These certificates are £9.50 each (about €11) from the GRO, but prices vary at local offices.

The only free information for births, marriages and deaths is that held in the indexes, but the information is limited to only the year, quarter and name. Later birth index entries have the mother's maiden name as well, and later death indexes have age at death. Marriages do not have the spouse; you have to pair them up from either 8 or 4 people on the same page.

Hope this helps.