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  • Looking for Sarah, born in Leeds, Yorkshire circa 1795, married William Mead

    I’ve been absolutely stuck on this for ages so am hoping the kind folk here will be able to help.

    I’ve not been able to find a marriage certificate that I am certain is in her correct surname. In the 1951 census she is the head of the household but I can’t find a record of William’s death/burial so no clues there. I am desperate to trace both hers and William’s lineage, so any help would be much appreciated.

    Does anybody recognise this family:

    Sarah married William Mead and had 8 children:

    Mary Ann – born 1819 East Ham, Essex.
    Henry John (died at 8 months) – born 1820 East Ham, Essex.
    Elizabeth – born 1822 East Ham, Essex.
    William James (presumably died) – born 1824 Plashet, East Ham, Essex.
    John Matthew – born 1827 East Ham, Essex.
    Sarah – born 1829 East Ham, Essex.
    Henry John – born 1830 Great Ilford, Essex.
    William James – born 1832 Great Ilford, Essex.

    In 1819 she is living in East Ham, Essex.

    In 1824 she is living in Plashet, East Ham, Essex.

    Circa 1830 she is living in Great Ilford, Essex.

    In the 1841 census she is aged 44 and living at 8 Alfred Place, Bermondsey, London. Both she and her husband are marked as not of this county.

    In the 1851 census she is aged 55, still married though husband is not with her, and head of the household, still at 8 Alfred Place, Bermondsey, a laundress. Born Leeds.

    In the 1861 census she is now aged 68 [and a widow], living with her son William, who is now head of the household, at 8 Alfred Place, Bermondsey. Born Leeds.

    In the 1871 census she is aged 78, still living with William at 51 Salisbury Street, Bermondsey. Born Leeds.

    Her death certificate: 14.1.1872. Dies at 51 Salisbury Street. Age 79. The widow of William Mead, Carman. Informant was Mary Ann Mead, who lived at 49 Salisbury Street. Registered: 17.1.1872.

    Thanks for reading.
    Last edited by Darksecretz; 11-06-13, 08:49. Reason: adding info

  • #2
    Hello Kat,

    do you subscribe to ancestry at all?

    there is a marriage for a William MEAD and a Sarah JARVIS in 1818 [link below]

    Julie
    They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

    .......I find dead people

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    • #3
      I should add it is Shoreditch, St Leonard, Hackney. [place of marriage]
      Julie
      They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

      .......I find dead people

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Darksecretz View Post
        Hello Kat,

        do you subscribe to ancestry at all?

        there is a marriage for a William MEAD and a Sarah JARVIS in 1818 [link below]

        http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...&rhSource=8978
        Hi, thank you so much for your efforts.

        I have this record already and unfortunately, after much research, it seems to be the wrong Sarah & William :(

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        • #5
          that is a shame Kat.. back to square one!.. did any of the children have their births after 1837? if so, you could order a birth cert for one and get the maiden name that way?
          Julie
          They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

          .......I find dead people

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          • #6
            In the 1851 census she is aged 55, a widow and head of the household, still at 8 Alfred Place, Bermondsey, a laundress. Born Leeds.
            erm, she isn't a widow on the 1851... she is a widow on 1861 though, [maybe william was in prison/hospital/working away? in 51]
            Julie
            They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

            .......I find dead people

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            • #7
              Just looking at that, there is a Bermondsey death but John William, bit clueless as no ages!
              Elaine

              Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

              http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
              http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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              • #8
                Here is his son's marriage


                London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
                Name: William James Mead
                Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
                Age: 21
                Spouse Name: Ann George
                Spouse Age: 21
                Record Type: Marriage
                Event Date: 12 May 1856
                Parish: Bermondsey St Luke
                Borough: Southwark
                Father Name: William Mead
                Spouse Father Name: John George
                Register Type: Parish Register

                If you have a look at the original, William is Deceased labourer

                Reg District is Bermonsey
                Last edited by Elaine; 09-06-13, 21:24.
                Elaine

                Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                • #9
                  What about this one

                  England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
                  Name: Henry John Mead
                  Gender: Male
                  Christening Date: 30 Jan 1831
                  Christening Place: St. Margaret Parish, Barking, Essex, England
                  Father's Name: William Mead
                  Mother's Name: Sarah
                  Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03396-8
                  System Origin: England-EASy
                  GS Film number: 1702104
                  Reference ID: 114

                  and then found

                  Surname:Mead
                  Forenames:Henry John
                  Baptism Year:1831
                  Baptism Month:JAN
                  Baptism Day:30
                  Mother:Sarah
                  Father:William
                  Place:Barking
                  County:Essex
                  Source:St.Margarets Barking 1813-1851 baptisms
                  Notes (FROM GREAT ILFORD)
                  Record source:Thames & Medway Baptisms
                  Data provider:Rob Cottrell, Trueflare Limited
                  Last edited by Elaine; 09-06-13, 21:46.
                  Elaine

                  Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                  http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                  http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                  • #10
                    Notice you have dates but just in case have found

                    Surname:Mead
                    Forenames:William James
                    Baptism Year:1824
                    Baptism Month:SEP
                    Baptism Day: 5
                    Mother:Sarah
                    Father:William
                    Place:East Ham
                    County:Essex
                    Source:St.Mary Magdalen East Ham 1813-1841 baptisms
                    Record source:Thames & Medway Baptisms
                    Data provider:Rob Cottrell, Trueflare Limited

                    Sarah 5 Apr 1829
                    John Matthew 11 Mar 1827
                    Elizabeth 24 Feb 1822
                    Henry John 10 Sep 1820
                    Mary Ann Mead 14 Feb 1819
                    Also from
                    St.Mary Magdalen East Ham 1813-1841 baptisms

                    had a look hoping the maiden name might pop up
                    Last edited by Elaine; 09-06-13, 22:03.
                    Elaine

                    Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                    http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                    http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Darksecretz View Post
                      erm, she isn't a widow on the 1851... she is a widow on 1861 though, [maybe william was in prison/hospital/working away? in 51]
                      Yes, sorry, I put that bit about the widow on the wrong census and couldn't figure out how to edit the original post.

                      William is down as 'Dead' on a certificate from 1855, which narrows the window a little, but none of the death certificates I've purchased so far are the man I'm after. Your suggestion of him being in hospital in 1951 is a very good one, I just wish I could tie a recovery/death to it.

                      Thank you again.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Elaine View Post
                        Notice you have dates but just in case have found

                        Surname:Mead
                        Forenames:William James
                        Baptism Year:1824
                        Baptism Month:SEP
                        Baptism Day: 5
                        Mother:Sarah
                        Father:William
                        Place:East Ham
                        County:Essex
                        Source:St.Mary Magdalen East Ham 1813-1841 baptisms
                        Record source:Thames & Medway Baptisms
                        Data provider:Rob Cottrell, Trueflare Limited

                        Sarah 5 Apr 1829
                        John Matthew 11 Mar 1827
                        Elizabeth 24 Feb 1822
                        Henry John 10 Sep 1820
                        Mary Ann Mead 14 Feb 1819
                        Also from
                        St.Mary Magdalen East Ham 1813-1841 baptisms

                        had a look hoping the maiden name might pop up
                        Huge thank you for the time you've taken over this - there's much appreciated extra information, plus a welcome confirmation of the stuff I already have.

                        Just wish the elusive William would show up definitely somewhere or another!

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                        • #13
                          http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...DDeath&indiv=1 There is this one. Not the reg district for Bermondsey but probably nearby as it became so in 1870. Perhaps he died, as suggested, out of area. Sorry about no paras. Bit of a wild one but maybe he left Sarah. There is a William Mead dob 1791, unmarried, labourer in Stanway and Winstree workhouse in 1851, where he remains until 1871 dying in 4th Q of 1871 (Lexden reg). There is also another William Mead b Stanway but he was married to Maria and I think his death is 1845. http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...DDeath&indiv=1Vera
                          Last edited by vera2013; 10-06-13, 05:13.

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                          • #14
                            That looks VERY promising Vera....


                            Name: William Mead
                            Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1855
                            Registration District: St Olave Southwark
                            Inferred County: London
                            Volume: 1d
                            Page: 59

                            Southwark is sort of next door to Bermondsey

                            Kat, can you list the ones that you have purchased for William that are wrong please.. [it will help us, to eliminate them!]
                            Julie
                            They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                            .......I find dead people

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
                              http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...DDeath&indiv=1 There is this one. Not the reg district for Bermondsey but probably nearby as it became so in 1870. Perhaps he died, as suggested, out of area. Sorry about no paras. Bit of a wild one but maybe he left Sarah. There is a William Mead dob 1791, unmarried, labourer in Stanway and Winstree workhouse in 1851, where he remains until 1871 dying in 4th Q of 1871 (Lexden reg). There is also another William Mead b Stanway but he was married to Maria and I think his death is 1845. http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...DDeath&indiv=1Vera
                              Thank you for these - both checked and re-checked but no luck.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Darksecretz View Post
                                That looks VERY promising Vera....


                                Name: William Mead
                                Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1855
                                Registration District: St Olave Southwark
                                Inferred County: London
                                Volume: 1d
                                Page: 59

                                Southwark is sort of next door to Bermondsey

                                Kat, can you list the ones that you have purchased for William that are wrong please.. [it will help us, to eliminate them!]
                                Frustratingly, that William is in the 'discounted' list.

                                As for certificates, here we go!

                                This information is taken from the certificates rather than the books so, sorry, no volume/page IDs.

                                Name: William Mead
                                Date of Registration: 15.3.1847
                                Registration District: Wandsworth and Clapham
                                County: Surrey

                                Name: William Mead
                                Date of Registration: 7.7.1849
                                Registration District: Saint George the Martyr, Southwark
                                County: Surrey

                                Name: William Mead
                                Date of Registration: 17.1.1850
                                Registration District: Saint George the Martyr, Southwark
                                County: Surrey

                                Name: William Mead
                                Date of Registration: 6.3.1850
                                Registration District: Lambeth
                                County: Surrey

                                Name: John William Mead
                                Date of Registration: 3.6.1850
                                Registration District: Whitechapel
                                County: Middlesex

                                Name: William Mead
                                Date of Registration: 12.7.1850
                                Registration District: Saint George the Martyr, Southwark
                                County: Surrey

                                Name: William Mead
                                Date of Registration: 13.7.1854
                                Registration District: Greenwich
                                County: Kent

                                Name: William Mead
                                Date of Registration: 1.6.1855
                                Registration District: Saint Olave’s, Southwark
                                County: Surrey

                                Name: William James Mead
                                Date of Registration: 10.7.1855
                                Registration District: Greenwich
                                County: Kent

                                Name: John William Mead
                                Date of Registration: 24.12.1855
                                Registration District: Saint Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey, Surrey
                                County: Surrey

                                The following burial records have also been discounted:

                                Name: William Mead
                                Date of Burial: 24.6.1849
                                Place of Burial: Eggington
                                County: Bedfordshire

                                Name: William Mead
                                Date of Burial: 13.10.1848
                                Place of Burial: Whitby
                                County: Yorkshire

                                Name: William Mead
                                Date of Burial: 23.3.1847
                                Place of Burial: Wheathampstead
                                County: Hertfordshire

                                Name: William Mead
                                Date of Burial: 23.6.1841
                                Place of Burial: St Saviour, Southwark

                                Plus, just to confirm one parameter: on his son Henry John Mead’s marriage certificate dated 25.12.1855, his father is down as “William Mead, dead”.

                                Thank you again.
                                Last edited by kat_m; 10-06-13, 23:36.

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                                • #17
                                  The following burial records have also been discounted:

                                  Name: William Mead
                                  Date of Burial: 24.6.1849
                                  Place of Burial: Eggington
                                  County: Bedfordshire

                                  Name: William Mead
                                  Date of Burial: 13.10.1848
                                  Place of Burial: Whitby
                                  County: Yorkshire

                                  Name: William Mead
                                  Date of Burial: 23.3.1847
                                  Place of Burial: Wheathampstead
                                  County: Hertfordshire

                                  Name: William Mead
                                  Date of Burial: 23.6.1841
                                  Place of Burial: St Saviour, Southwark
                                  Hi Kat, I might be missing something here, but, how have you discounted the burials? [got certs?] or just tracking thru the census? etc..

                                  I did begin to wonder IF his name wasn't William, but the name he went by.. if you get my drift.. so, maybe we/you need to be looking for a MEAD marrying a Sarah that was b. abt. 1797 in Leeds..
                                  Julie
                                  They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                                  .......I find dead people

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                                  • #18
                                    I have been trying to work out which refs go with which cert, and I am slowly getting there.. one thought did occur to me though, how many of his childrens marriage certs do you have? and do they state whether their father is alive or not? [and did he witness any of the marriages?]

                                    I did however, find this: and it could be a possible, as the son married in Dec 1855 and his father was already dead.. but we know from the census that he was alive [though we don't know where!! in it]


                                    Name: William Mead
                                    Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1855
                                    Registration District: Pancras
                                    Inferred County: London
                                    Volume: 1b
                                    Page: 80

                                    Julie
                                    They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                                    .......I find dead people

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                                    • #19
                                      This information is taken from the certificates rather than the books so, sorry, no volume/page IDs.

                                      Name: William Mead
                                      Date of Registration: 15.3.1847
                                      Registration District: Wandsworth and Clapham
                                      County: Surrey

                                      Name: William Mead
                                      Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1847
                                      Registration District: Wandsworth
                                      Inferred County: London
                                      Volume: 4
                                      Page: 471


                                      -------------------------------------
                                      Name: William Mead
                                      Date of Registration: 7.7.1849
                                      Registration District: Saint George the Martyr, Southwark
                                      County: Surrey

                                      Name: William Mead
                                      Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1849
                                      Registration District: St George Southwark
                                      Inferred County: London
                                      Volume: 4
                                      Page: 767

                                      --------------------------------------------------

                                      Name: William Mead
                                      Date of Registration: 17.1.1850
                                      Registration District: Saint George the Martyr, Southwark
                                      County: Surrey

                                      Name: William Mead
                                      Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1850
                                      Registration District: St George Southwark
                                      Inferred County: London
                                      Volume: 4
                                      Page: 330


                                      ----------------------------------------------------

                                      Name: William Mead
                                      Date of Registration: 6.3.1850
                                      Registration District: Lambeth
                                      County: Surrey

                                      Name: William Mead
                                      Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1850
                                      Registration District: Lambeth
                                      Inferred County: London
                                      Volume: 4
                                      Page: 243


                                      ------------------------------------------------------------

                                      Name: John William Mead
                                      Date of Registration: 3.6.1850
                                      Registration District: Whitechapel
                                      County: Middlesex

                                      Name: John William Mead
                                      Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1850
                                      Registration District: Whitechapel
                                      Inferred County: London
                                      Volume: 2
                                      Page: 354

                                      ----------------------------------------------------------------

                                      Name: William Mead
                                      Date of Registration: 12.7.1850
                                      Registration District: Saint George the Martyr, Southwark
                                      County: Surrey

                                      Name: William Mead
                                      Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1850
                                      Registration District: St George Southwark
                                      Inferred County: London
                                      Volume: 4
                                      Page: 292


                                      -------------------------------------------
                                      Name: William Mead
                                      Date of Registration: 13.7.1854
                                      Registration District: Greenwich
                                      County: London

                                      Name: William Mead
                                      Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1854
                                      Registration District: Greenwich
                                      Inferred County: London
                                      Volume: 1d
                                      Page: 932


                                      ----------------------------------------------------
                                      Name: William Mead
                                      Date of Registration: 1.6.1855
                                      Registration District: Saint Olave’s, Southwark
                                      County: London

                                      Name: William Mead
                                      Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1855
                                      Registration District: St Olave Southwark
                                      Inferred County: London
                                      Volume: 1d
                                      Page: 59

                                      ----------------------------------------------------------

                                      Name: William James Mead
                                      Date of Registration: 10.7.1855
                                      Registration District: Greenwich
                                      County: Kent

                                      Name: William James Mead
                                      Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1855
                                      Registration District: Greenwich
                                      Inferred County: London
                                      Volume: 1d
                                      Page: 356


                                      ----------------------------------------------------

                                      Name: John William Mead
                                      Date of Registration: 24.12.1855
                                      Registration District: Saint Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey, Surrey
                                      County: Surrey

                                      can't spot this one in Ancestry indexes.
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                                      still need to see if I can spot the other missing ones..
                                      Last edited by Darksecretz; 11-06-13, 09:30. Reason: adding info
                                      Julie
                                      They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                                      .......I find dead people

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                                      • #20
                                        The 1851 census was taken 30th March 1851... so working through the indexes, we can list the deaths in the area so you can work out which one is more likely.
                                        Julie
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                                        .......I find dead people

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