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Caroline
05-06-13, 07:17
Just heard this on the radio:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-22717020

I wonder if we can find the owner!

Caroline
05-06-13, 07:31
Sonias born in 1916 to be going on with:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=ONSBirth84&rank=1&new=1&so=3&MSAV=0&msT=1&pcat=BMD_BIRTH&gss=ms_r_db&gsfn=sonia&msbdy=1916&dbOnly=_F0005648%7C_F0005648_x&uidh=7b1

an awful lot of Doras :rotfl:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=ONSBirth84&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsfn=dora&msbdy=1916&dbOnly=_F0005648%7c_F0005648_x&uidh=7b1&gl=&gst=&hc=50&fh=550&fsk=BEFmZmYIgAAiTgAkvgA-61-&pgoff=11

maudarby
05-06-13, 07:43
Hi Caroline
I can't make sense of the other writing.
Taken on baby's birthday March 4th 1918 one year & five months old.
Moggie

Night Owl
05-06-13, 08:19
I think one of the children is called Glyn

"......from your loving little daughter & sonnie,
Dora & Glyn"

Darksecretz
05-06-13, 08:21
the actual photograph states that the photo was taken on Babys birthday, MARCH 4th 1918, aged 1 year and 5 months old. [if that helps at all]

maudarby
05-06-13, 08:29
I think one of the children is called Glyn

"......from your loving little daughter & sonnie,
Dora & Glyn"

Having re read it several times I agree, I think the bear is called Sonnie & the girls are Dora & Glyn.
Glyn cound be short for Glynis.
Moggie

maudarby
05-06-13, 08:31
the actual photograph states that the photo was taken on Babys birthday, MARCH 4th 1918, aged 1 year and 5 months old. [if that helps at all]
Still confused.
So who was "Baby" & who was I year & 5 months old?
Moggie

Night Owl
05-06-13, 08:36
Having re read it several times I agree, I think the bear is called Sonnie & the girls are Dora & Glyn.
Glyn cound be short for Glynis.
Moggie

or it could be a girl (Dora) and a boy called Glyn. It says daughter and sonnie which I took to be variation of son

Darksecretz
05-06-13, 08:41
the whole wording states:


with dearest love & x's to our darling Daddy from your loving Daughter & Sonnie.

Dora & Glyn

I take that to be that Dora & sonnie [bear] then Glyn is the son and also 'baby'.

Darksecretz
05-06-13, 08:42
so, if Glyn is 1 yr & 5 months old and a boy.. maybe that is the starting point to work from?

margaretmarch
05-06-13, 08:51
so, if Glyn is 1 yr & 5 months old and a boy.. maybe that is the starting point to work from?

I thought it read 'to daddy from daughter and sonnie' who then sign themselves Dora & Glyn.

Margaret

Caroline
05-06-13, 09:00
or it could be a girl (Dora) and a boy called Glyn. It says daughter and sonnie which I took to be variation of son

Now I'm bathed, dressed and breakfasted, I am back to this .. I think Jackie is right, so reckoning that the younger of the two is the boy ....... my brain hurts!!

At least they are young enough to have the maiden name transcribed.

I reckon the boy is the younger of the two? How old does Dora look?

maudarby
05-06-13, 09:19
Left hand side of post card, the side with the writing.

From the Studios of Dura Ltd.

Quick Google gives this photographer as being in Wales.
Moggie

maudarby
05-06-13, 09:50
Found this on Rootsweb link here http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CARMARTHENSHIRE-FHS/2006-08/1154601751

DURA;;14;St John's Sq;Cardiff;1908-11;1908;;(also as Dura Ltd. and
Dura¹s Photos Ltd.); ;SB
DURA;; ;Northampton Place;Swansea;;1910;Kelly;St. Helen¹s Rd;;S&R
DURA;;53;Queen St;Cardiff;1912-20;1912;;Park Chambers ; ;SB
DURA;;30;Dunraven Place;Bridgend;1918-21;1918;;;;SB
DURA;; ;Station Rd;Merthyr;1918-21;1918;;;;SB
DURA;; ;Chapel St;Bargoed;;1920;Kelly;;;S&R
DURA;;30;Dunraven Place;Bridgend; ;1920;Kelly;;;S&R
DURA;;1;Northampton Place;Swansea;;1920;Kelly;St. Helen¹s Rd;;S&R
DURA;; ;Post Office Chambers;Merthyr;;1920;Kelly;;;S&R
DURA;;53;Queen St;Cardiff; ;1920;Kelly;Park Chambers ; ;S&R
DURA;;60;Taff St;Pontypridd;;1920;Kelly;60 or 90 ???;;S&R
DURA;;9a;Duke St;Cardiff;;1926;;;;SB
DURAS;Portrait Specialist;; ;Penarth/Cardiff;;1911;Own collection;Dad
age 2;;PM

Moggie

I don't know what the abbreviations SB & S&R stand for.

Where did those "smilies" come from, they seem to have replaced some of the Ds?

Chrissie Smiff
05-06-13, 09:57
That does my theory in then Moggie:) On Genuki it only gave Llanelly and Carmarthen. So I cross checked the Glyn births - March and June 1918 with the Dora births 1914 to 1917 (all Llanelly and Carmarthen) but no match. Now I see that it could have been elsewhere in Wales.

margaretmarch
05-06-13, 10:03
Found this on Rootsweb link here http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CARMARTHENSHIRE-FHS/2006-08/1154601751

DURA;;14;St John's Sq;Cardiff;1908-11;1908;;(also as Dura Ltd. and
Dura¹s Photos Ltd.); ;SB
DURA;; ;Northampton Place;Swansea;;1910;Kelly;St. Helen¹s Rd;;S&R
DURA;;53;Queen St;Cardiff;1912-20;1912;;Park Chambers ; ;SB
DURA;;30;Dunraven Place;Bridgend;1918-21;1918;;;;SB
DURA;; ;Station Rd;Merthyr;1918-21;1918;;;;SB
DURA;; ;Chapel St;Bargoed;;1920;Kelly;;;S&R
DURA;;30;Dunraven Place;Bridgend; ;1920;Kelly;;;S&R
DURA;;1;Northampton Place;Swansea;;1920;Kelly;St. Helen¹s Rd;;S&R
DURA;; ;Post Office Chambers;Merthyr;;1920;Kelly;;;S&R
DURA;;53;Queen St;Cardiff; ;1920;Kelly;Park Chambers ; ;S&R
DURA;;60;Taff St;Pontypridd;;1920;Kelly;60 or 90 ???;;S&R
DURA;;9a;Duke St;Cardiff;;1926;;;;SB
DURAS;Portrait Specialist;; ;Penarth/Cardiff;;1911;Own collection;Dad
age 2;;PM

Moggie

I don't know what the abbreviations SB & S&R stand for.

Where did those "smilies" come from, they seem to have replaced some of the Ds?

The smilies are because you are putting colons or semi colons before D without a space which equals a smilie.

The S & R I think = S & R Dura

Margaret

keldon
05-06-13, 10:07
[delete didn't see link already posted to images. Doh!]

Chrissie Smiff
05-06-13, 10:16
Now cross checked as #15 but in Cardiff, Bridgend and Swansea - whewwww:)

Darksecretz
05-06-13, 10:17
I reckon the boy is the younger of the two? How old does Dora look?

I think that she looks about 3 and half.. I wouldn't say much more than that.

Chrissie Smiff
05-06-13, 10:33
So do we think this photo was taken circa August 1919? If so, she would have been born c1815-1816?

I only had Pontypridd and Merthyr Tidfil left to do but the list is so long for Glyn (March and June 1918) that I was hoping to narrow down the Dora one a bit.

p.s. I don't think I can face it - so if anyone else wants to do Pontypridd and Merthyr Tidfil cross checking?

Darksecretz
05-06-13, 11:00
So do we think this photo was taken circa August 1919? If so, she would have been born c1815-1816?

I only had Pontypridd and Merthyr Tidfil left to do but the list is so long for Glyn (March and June 1918) that I was hoping to narrow down the Dora one a bit.

p.s. I don't think I can face it - so if anyone else wants to do Pontypridd and Merthyr Tidfil cross checking?

no it states on the photo that it was taken on the babys birthday.. 4th March 1918

Chrissie Smiff
05-06-13, 11:05
So what does the 1 year and 5 months old mean?

Darksecretz
05-06-13, 11:06
so can someone work out what the quarter for Glyns birth would be, this is presuming that the smaller child is him.. if he was 1yr 5 months on 4th march 1918.

and now I have sat and thought about it, you wouldn't say that it was taken on babys birthday, then say that the child was 1yr and 5 months... would you??

praps she had another child and that was the baby?

Darksecretz
05-06-13, 11:17
hopefully this will help:

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p117/Darksecretz_2006/Fullscreencapture05062013110852_zps967ff4bf.png (http://s126.photobucket.com/user/Darksecretz_2006/media/Fullscreencapture05062013110852_zps967ff4bf.png.ht ml)

and upside down

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p117/Darksecretz_2006/TEDDY_zps11fc631d.jpg (http://s126.photobucket.com/user/Darksecretz_2006/media/TEDDY_zps11fc631d.jpg.html)

Darksecretz
05-06-13, 11:23
so, we are looking at Nov 1916 for Glyns quarter.. does that sound right? [q4 OND 1916] somewhere in wales?

Darksecretz
05-06-13, 11:26
so that is about 30 entries to look at:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=ONSBirth84&rank=1&new=1&so=3&MSAV=1&msT=1&pcat=BMD_BIRTH&gss=ms_r_db&gsfn=glyn&msbdy=1916&dbOnly=_F0005648%7C_F0005648_x&uidh=lg3&msbdm=11

Darksecretz
05-06-13, 11:29
Left hand side of post card, the side with the writing.

From the Studios of Dura Ltd.

Quick Google gives this photographer as being in Wales.
Moggie

when did Dura become a Ltd company?

maudarby
05-06-13, 11:33
when did Dura become a Ltd company?

Hi
Still working on that one. Dura doesn't appear to be a surname in Wales.
Moggie

Chrissie Smiff
05-06-13, 11:34
Hubby, who doesn't usually comment on anything like this, has just said "I wonder if they are actually celebrating the girls birthday and because the girl (Dora) was born first they nicknamed her baby and the mother has written 1yr and 5 months old for the young boy?"
I know it sounds a bit odd but non of it seems to make sense does it.

p.s. Perhaps that would make her birth March 4th (1914 if it was her 4th birthday).

Darksecretz
05-06-13, 11:47
Hi
Still working on that one. Dura doesn't appear to be a surname in Wales.
Moggie

I have a feeling that Dura.. was short for Durand.. who were french photographers.. i'm frantically trying to find where on earth I found that info, but I can't see it!!.. [and I have checked my browsing history and it isn't there either!!]

keldon
05-06-13, 12:43
I have a feeling that Dura.. was short for Durand.. who were french photographers.. i'm frantically trying to find where on earth I found that info, but I can't see it!!.. [and I have checked my browsing history and it isn't there either!!]

?
DURA West End, Llanelly 1920 --- see Glamorgan, Monmouthshire + Cardiff)
DURA 9 Lammas St, Carmarthen 1920
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/VicPhoto1.html

Darksecretz
05-06-13, 12:48
?
DURA West End, Llanelly 1920 --- see Glamorgan, Monmouthshire + Cardiff)
DURA 9 Lammas St, Carmarthen 1920
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/VicPhoto1.html

I did see that Phil.. but it was a website that said 'Dura.. or more commonly known as Durand'.. in the wording.. :smilee:

Darksecretz
05-06-13, 12:59
I can't find it, but have found this: so do apologise for getting in a muddle!

Photographers 1840 – 1940 Great Britain & Ireland » Photographers D
www.cartedevisite.co.uk/photographers-category/.../photographers-d/‎
D' Arcis, Frederick. D' Arcis, Frederick & Co Ltd ..... Delmen Art Co Ltd. Delmen Art Studios Co Limited ..... Dura (Dura Ltd)(Dura's Photos Ltd). Durand, Francois ...

Darksecretz
05-06-13, 13:11
so the areas we need to be concentrating on are:


DURA - 53, Queen St, Cardiff --1912-20. 1912 -- Park Chambers SB
DURA - 30, Dunraven Place, Bridgend. 1918-21 -- 1918 SB
DURA - Station Rd, Merthyr, 1918-21 - 1918 SB.

yes?

births of a Glyn in about Nov q 1916. in any of the areas above, CARDIFF, BRIDGEND or MERTHYR.

hopefully we can narrow it down a little.

PeteW1959
05-06-13, 13:18
I've just checked on Companies House webcheck, and nothing coming up for Dura as photographers, either current or dissolved. There are several automotive companies and a wholesaler, but unlikely they have changed trades entirely!

Darksecretz
05-06-13, 13:31
I have a list now of all the Glyns born in OND 1916 complete with MMN, though FBMD is playing silly ******s atmo.. so am having a heck of a job x reffing!!

Darksecretz
05-06-13, 17:42
well, nothing matches with my searching... :(

Darksecretz
05-06-13, 23:06
nearest I can get at the moment is a Doris W Davies b. sept q 1914 bedwelty.. and a Glyn b. mar q 1917 same dist...

maudarby
06-06-13, 09:29
Hi
It says in the article that the bear & the photo were found in a carrier bag along with other items. Could someone, maybe Caroline who started the thread email & ask what the other items were? Might be significant to us but not the airport staff.
Moggie

LangleyValeSue
06-06-13, 19:44
There is a 33 page thread on Rootschat about finding the owners of this bear. It is interesting to read both threads and see other genealogists' suggestions. Most seem to have come to the same conclusions as on FTF! :)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,648863.0.html


E.T.A. Having read through the newer pages, it seems that the Rootschatters have possibly identified the children.

Darksecretz
06-06-13, 21:42
There is a 33 page thread on Rootschat about finding the owners of this bear. It is interesting to read both threads and see other genealogists' suggestions. Most seem to have come to the same conclusions as on FTF! :)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,648863.0.html


E.T.A. Having read through the newer pages, it seems that the Rootschatters have possibly identified the children.

yep, it sure looks like that.. great bit of detective work though!..

Chrissie Smiff
07-06-13, 10:21
Yesterday I was searching using hubby's theory (see #29) and, after reading the Rootschat I believe that he was right.
Among the other Dora births that I came up in the 6 possible areas for March and June quarters of 1914 I too found the Dora Baker mmn Willey. But there were so many Dora's that I only cross checked them with the name Glyn born in late 1916/early 1917 . So of course I didn't find the ones with a secong initial G.

I think hubby deserves a pat on the back though for working out what the dates and ages meant. Just off to tell him that I'll make a researcher of him yet :D