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Val wish Id never started
30-05-13, 20:30
I did ask some time ago about him ,but am still trying to find him in 1881 and 1891

William John KNIGHT born 1857 Bermondsey

Parents George William KNIGHT born 1815 Bermondsey a Currier and Mary born 1818 St Martins Middlesex

Cannot find any of the family in 1861 but have more or less tracked his siblings since but not the Parents.

Got William John's Marriage in 1895 Edmonton Middlesex and 1901 and 1911 Census

All I need is 1881 and 1891 thanks as think I have him in 1871 ?

Thanks

Darksecretz
30-05-13, 21:41
who did he marry Val? am having a look :)

Val wish Id never started
30-05-13, 22:02
Julie thought you had enough to do with your Lydalls :nailbiting:he married Martha Elizabeth Townsend, but he says his Father is William John Knight? suppose he never knew his father ?

Darksecretz
30-05-13, 22:02
oh and who were his Grandparents.. please :) and if you have any census ref's that'd be great too... [sorry]

Darksecretz
30-05-13, 22:03
Julie thought you had enough to do with your Lydalls :nailbiting:he married Martha Elizabeth Townsend


I do, but, I'm getting Lydall eyes!!..lol.. just having a breather.. :)

Darksecretz
30-05-13, 22:07
Julie thought you had enough to do with your Lydalls :nailbiting:he married Martha Elizabeth Townsend, but he says his Father is William John Knight? suppose he never knew his father ?

is this him in 1911?

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-g&gsfn=will**+j&gsln=kni**&msbdy=1857&msbpn__ftp=Bermondsey%2c+Surrey%2c+England&msbpn=87691&msbpn_PInfo=8-%7c0%7c0%7c3257%7c3251%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c5286%7c87691% 7c0%7c&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=lg3&msbdp=2&cp=11&mssng0=martha&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=40227640&db=1911England&indiv=1

Val wish Id never started
30-05-13, 22:13
yes it is Julie, I do have that, its only the census records before the marriage I need, I'm not even sure the 1871 is him ?
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7619/SRYRG10_795_798-0499/9666151?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1871%26h%3d9666151%26ti%3d 5538%26indiv%3dtry%26gss%3dpt%26ssrc%3dpt_t6737403 _p-1235602723_kpidz0q3d-1235602723z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&ssrc=pt_t6737403_p-1235602723_kpidz0q3d-1235602723z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&backlabel=ReturnRecord
Cannot find his parents anywhere after 1851

Darksecretz
30-05-13, 22:24
yes it is Julie, I do have that, its only the census records before the marriage I need, I'm not even sure the 1871 is him ?
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7619/SRYRG10_795_798-0499/9666151?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1871%26h%3d9666151%26ti%3d 5538%26indiv%3dtry%26gss%3dpt%26ssrc%3dpt_t6737403 _p-1235602723_kpidz0q3d-1235602723z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&ssrc=pt_t6737403_p-1235602723_kpidz0q3d-1235602723z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&backlabel=ReturnRecord
Cannot find his parents anywhere after 1851

had you seen this one? [which is why I asked about g/parents]

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-g&gsfn=will**+j&gsln=kni**&msbdy=1857&msbpn__ftp=Bermondsey%2c+Surrey%2c+England&msbpn=87691&msbpn_PInfo=8-%7c0%7c0%7c3257%7c3251%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c5286%7c87691% 7c0%7c&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=lg3&msbdp=2&cp=11&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=7525217&db=uki1871&indiv=1

I suppose you have looked for deaths for them?

Val wish Id never started
30-05-13, 22:28
oh I see thanks Julie, thats not him they all came from Bermondsey, and there isn't an Ann amongst them, his Grandparents were George and Jane.
I assume the 1861 census for the family is missing? really annoying .
Looked for Deaths but as its such a common name hard to tell.

Darksecretz
30-05-13, 22:29
hmmmn I notice that he was fairly old when he married Martha, did it say he was previously married? but I would look for another marriage as there seems to be very little info doesn't there..

Darksecretz
30-05-13, 22:30
oh I see thanks Julie, thats not him they all came from Bermondsey, and there isn't an Ann amongst them, his Grandparents were George and Jane.
I assume the 1861 census for the family is missing? really annoying .
Looked for Deaths but as its such a common name hard to tell.

same family 1861:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&h=16681089&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=7619

Val wish Id never started
30-05-13, 22:32
He does say Bachelor ? maybe he was in the army or something ? Martha was 36 so she was quite old too, she was a School Mistress but cannot find a thing in the Teachers records for her .

Darksecretz
30-05-13, 22:33
He does say Bachelor ? maybe he was in the army or something ? Martha was 36 so she was quite old too, she was a School Mistress but cannot find a thing in the Teachers records for her .

maybe he fibbed! what was his occ?

Val wish Id never started
30-05-13, 22:36
I have so many bigamists wouldn't put it past him, he is a Plumber Journeyman on his Marriage and a House painter in 1901 and 1911 .

Darksecretz
30-05-13, 22:58
not having much luck, but am just off to bed as I'm pooped!.. night hun, x

Val wish Id never started
30-05-13, 23:02
night Julie and thanks for trying, I am now looking for any other marriages for him

Darksecretz
31-05-13, 07:58
there are a few George Knights in the criminal registers in/about 1851, I did wonder if he had been transported,

likewise with WJ, makes you wonder if he was also in 'clink'

Darksecretz
31-05-13, 08:07
how about 1881:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-g&gsfn=john+w&gsln=**ight&msbdy=1857&msbpn__ftp=Bermondsey%2c+Surrey%2c+England&msbpn=87691&msbpn_PInfo=8-%7c0%7c0%7c3257%7c3251%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c5286%7c87691% 7c0%7c&gskw=plumber&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=lg3&msbdp=2&cp=11&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=20728328&db=uki1881&indiv=1 ??

I know that the surname is Wright, but, if whoever only caught the 'ight' bit at the end, they could have presumed that was what it was.

Val wish Id never started
31-05-13, 17:16
thanks again Julie but have tracked that family back and forth and its not him, so am wondering if he was maybe in the army or as you say maybe in the criminal records, thanks again.

Darksecretz
31-05-13, 20:31
something will turn up eventually Val.. :)

Val wish Id never started
31-05-13, 20:36
it hasn't in 9 years ? Cannot understand why the whole family disappeared in 1861? have just decided to leave him for another couple of years.
I hate my Knights:excruciating:

Darksecretz
31-05-13, 20:39
did you have any joy with the deaths?

Val wish Id never started
31-05-13, 20:44
do you mean his parents ? no not too sure about William and Marthas deaths either ,found their daughters she never married which is a shame.

Darksecretz
31-05-13, 20:46
do you have them on the 41/51 ?

can you add the links pls.. do you know what Marys maiden name was? praps they are under that name?

Val wish Id never started
31-05-13, 20:54
1841
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8978/GLSHO107_378_379-0352/4530425?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1841%26h%3d4530425%26ti%3d 5538%26indiv%3dtry%26gss%3dpt%26ssrc%3dpt_t6737403 _p-1235602879_kpidz0q3d-1235602879z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&ssrc=pt_t6737403_p-1235602879_kpidz0q3d-1235602879z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&backlabel=ReturnRecord
1851
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/SRYHO107_1562_1563-0373/709074?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1851%26h%3d709074%26ti%3d5 538%26indiv%3dtry%26gss%3dpt%26ssrc%3dpt_t6737403_ p-1235602879_kpidz0q3d-1235602879z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&ssrc=pt_t6737403_p-1235602879_kpidz0q3d-1235602879z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&backlabel=ReturnRecord
Marys maiden name was Leonard

thanks Julie

By the way that William in 1851 died in 1854 so not the one I am looking for

Darksecretz
31-05-13, 21:01
I was just about to ask about him.. I have just found that 1851 record...lol

Darksecretz
31-05-13, 21:06
ahh so THATS why he was called William John!...

Val wish Id never started
31-05-13, 21:07
he and John both died in 1854 from Cholera

Darksecretz
31-05-13, 21:18
there is this one for Mary;

Name: Mary Knight
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1875
Age at Death: 57
Registration District: St Olave Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 211

which matches up with the 51 cens

Val wish Id never started
31-05-13, 21:31
Thanks for looking Julie I did see that a while ago but where is she in 1861 and 1871 ? I might take a chance and order that might solve a load of queries I have.

vera2013
31-05-13, 22:38
Have been having a look but nothing coming up for 1861. Checked the Bermondsey workhouse records but the female/child records are incorrectly loaded so have informed the site. The male ones were there but no George W. I noted that the South Metropolitan School was linked to the London workhouses. (Cant do a para) There is a record of a William Knight b 1858 travelling London-Brisbane on 25th August 1875. Will check to see if he returns in time to wed Martha. Wondering about this marriage. Was there another child named Mary. Wondering if it was a 2nd marriage for Mary Ann. The witnesses on the 1839 marriage and this one look similar. Probably me just stretching it a bit. Vera http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1623/31280_197623-00241?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2 fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d1%26ms T%3d1%26gss%3dangs-c%26gsfn%3dgeorge%2bwilliam%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3 dknight%26msbdy%3d1815%26msbpn__ftp%3dBermondsey%2 52c%2bSurrey%252c%2bEngland%26msbpn%3d87691%26msbp n_PInfo%3d8-%257c0%257c0%257c3257%257c3251%257c0%257c0%257c0%2 57c5286%257c87691%257c0%257c%26msgdy%3d1839%26msgp n__ftp%3dLambeth%252c%2bSurrey%252c%2bEngland%26ms gpn%3d85496%26msgpn_PInfo%3d8-%257c0%257c0%257c3257%257c3251%257c0%257c0%257c0%2 57c5286%257c85496%257c0%257c%26cpxt%3d1%26uidh%3d3 26%26_83004003-n_xcl%3df%26cp%3d11%26mssng0%3dmary%26pcat%3d34%26 h%3d3493711%26recoff%3d10%2b11%2b12%2b32%2b33%2b44 %26db%3dLMAmarriages%26indiv%3d1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord

Val wish Id never started
01-06-13, 00:14
thanks Vera where did you find the London to Brisbane record please , strange that Mary says Father George Knight a Currier ?

vera2013
01-06-13, 01:27
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=william&gsln=knight&msbdy=1858&msbpn__ftp=Bermondsey%2c+Surrey%2c+England&msbpn=87691&msbpn_PInfo=8-%7c0%7c0%7c3257%7c3251%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c5286%7c87691% 7c0%7c&msady=1875&msapn__ftp=Brisbane%2c+Queensland%2c+Australia&msapn=93395&msapn_PInfo=8-%7c0%7c1652397%7c0%7c5027%7c0%7c30096%7c0%7c0%7c93 395%7c0% 7c&cpxt=1&uidh=326&_83004003-n_xcl=f&cp=2&pcat=40&h=104127&recoff=5+6&db=QueenslandPL&indiv=1 - William Knight b abt 1858 aged 17. SS Ophelia. London - Brisbane. 25 August 1875. Unfortunately no image. Vera

Val wish Id never started
01-06-13, 19:04
thanks Vera will see if I can find out more