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  • Any connection to USA citizens BARKER Frank W c.1891, Florence E c.1894, Ellen c.1896

    Desperately searching for any info on my Grandmothers family.


    Cannot find any birth records or immigration/transport records


    Shown in 1901 Cencus in England as USA citizens
    Miriam Barker c.1873 Married Housekeeper (maiden name unknown)
    Frank W Barker c.1891 Son
    Florence E Barker c.1894 Daughter (my Grandmother)
    Ellen c.1896 Daughter


    Miriam's Husband Frederick Barker c.1870
    Listed in 1917 in Florence's 1st Marriage Cert as Deceased Ship Steward
    & in 2nd marriage as Merchant Seaman
    Nationality unknown


    Cannot find any other records in England or USA of Frederick, Miriam or son Frank.


    No further records of Florence until the birth of her son Cecil in 1915 (father unknown)She did recall coming to England on a ship, when she was very small.


    No further records of Ellen until much later in life, when she then seems to be called Helen.


    HELP!!!! Any suggestions or help VERY gratefully received.

  • #2
    There is a Helen Barker age 14 in a childrens home/workhouse in Morpeth in 1911, born "Baltimore USA British Parentage", which is only about 20 miles from South Shields where they are living in 1901 - have you investigated that entry ?
    Last edited by AntonyM; 22-05-13, 15:40.
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    • #3
      1901 ref

      1901 Census
      BARKER, Ellen
      SOUTH SHIELDS, Durham
      RG13 piece 4733 folio 61 page 17
      Elaine

      Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

      http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
      http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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      • #4
        Is the E Ernesty for Florence's middle name?
        Elaine

        Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

        http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
        http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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        • #5
          Hi Antony, yes i have that in my records. The info more or less fits, if this is Ellen then we can only assume Mother - Miriam has passed. Also as there's no further record of Brother - Frank perhaps he has too. But can't find any death records.

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          • #6
            Hi Antony, yes i have that in my records. The info more or less fits, if this is Ellen then we can only assume Mother - Miriam has passed. Also as there's no further record of Brother - Frank perhaps he has too. But can't find any death records.
            Hi Elaine, got the cencus 1901, that's the only record i do have of them all. E is for Emily.
            Would love to find Frederick - Father but very little info to narrow it down. There's not even a passenger record of them travelling from USA to here......wondering if it's poss they travelled on a ship he was working on!!

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            • #7
              found this: marriage, though I am unable to match up the names to any in the census!...



              Name: Miriam Barker
              Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1904
              Registration District: South Shields
              Inferred County: Durham
              Volume Number: 10a
              Page Number: 1296
              Julie
              They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

              .......I find dead people

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              • #8
                ahhhhh she might have married John Henry BECKWITH, I have found this..which ties in with Helen being in Morpeth..

                DEATH
                Name: Miriam Beckwith
                Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
                Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1909
                Age at Death: 36
                Registration District: Morpeth
                Inferred County: Northumberland
                Volume: 10b
                Page: 282
                Julie
                They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                .......I find dead people

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                • #9
                  as this was bugging me I decided to have another go, and found this:

                  DEATH:

                  Name: Frank William Barker
                  Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
                  Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1901
                  Age at Death: 9
                  Registration District: South Shields
                  Inferred County: Durham
                  Volume: 10a
                  Page: 432



                  if you are going to order these certs Nic, then if you don't already know, then order them direct from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ce...es/default.asp

                  please do not order from Ancestry [as they charge extortionate prices + they get them from the GRO anyway!!] I think, though I haven't checked, the last time I looked they [Ancestry] were charging £23.00 for a £9.25 ish cert!!!
                  Julie
                  They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                  .......I find dead people

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                  • #10
                    Thankyou Julie, I'm on Ancestry & it's never given me those results when i've searched....weird!! That's a massive breakthought!! Brilliant!!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by NicWhiteley View Post
                      Thankyou Julie, I'm on Ancestry & it's never given me those results when i've searched....weird!! That's a massive breakthought!! Brilliant!!!
                      if you do get the certs Nic, then do let us know what the results were please, as you say she is such an enigma, at least it might give an indication where in the USA she was living. [though I doubt it!]

                      I didn't look for the first husband, Fred?.. but meant to ask, how did you know that he worked on a ship? [daughters marriage cert/s?] and maybe the witness's on the certs can also offer some ideas where to look next.

                      which search do you use on Ancestry? new or old.. I use the new, even though they have re-jigged it again...but tend to find that less is more! it didn't bring anything up in the general search for Miriam re a marriage it wasn't until I clicked on the marriages index up to 1915 that I did look for S/Shields and then spotted this one. [likewise with the death for Frank]

                      sometimes it is a lot easier to do the main searching on FreeBMD, then cross ref it with Ancestry, I know they should be the same, but, sometimes they are not, [sometimes FreeBMD have entries that ancestry simply haven't got..] though I cannot understand why, as they use the same database!!.
                      Julie
                      They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                      .......I find dead people

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                      • #12
                        You are a mine of useful info Julie!! I didn't know any of that....i just do a straight forward search!! I obviously need to start searching out of the box.

                        I've ordered the certs, will let you know

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by NicWhiteley View Post
                          You are a mine of useful info Julie!! I didn't know any of that....i just do a straight forward search!! I obviously need to start searching out of the box.

                          I've ordered the certs, will let you know
                          FAB Nic!! it'll be interesting to see what [if any] new info you find out! :smilee:

                          we all search in different ways, some add as much info as they know, others use minimal info, it's best though to begin with minimal, that way you can sift through, sometimes it's better to use wildcards.. so instead of Frederick you could use Fre*** that way if someone has transcribed the name wrong, it should show up. likewise with Barker.. you can search *arker that way it should pick up Barker & Parker... [sometimes B's & P's get muddled]

                          best thing though, if in doubt, ask :smilee: we don't bite, and have all been there at some point :smilee:
                          Julie
                          They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                          .......I find dead people

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                          • #14
                            Great, thanks.....will keep you informed

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by NicWhiteley View Post
                              Great, thanks.....will keep you informed
                              :smilee:
                              Julie
                              They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                              .......I find dead people

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                              • #16
                                Hi Julie,

                                Got certs this morning, they all seem to check out!!

                                Frank William Barker died 10 June 1901 of Pneumonia, son of Frederick Robert Barker a Ship Steward (Merchant Service)
                                Informant M. Barker (Mother)

                                Miriam Barker age 32 Widow married John Henry Beckwith age 32 Bachelor (Coal Miner) on 27 Aug 1904
                                Brides father - Richard Parker Henderson, Master Mariner
                                Grooms father - William Beckwith (deceased) Coal Miner

                                Miriam Beckwith died 11 Jan 1909, age 36, of Cancer of Uterus.
                                Informant J.H Beckwith widower of deceased

                                So from that we've gained Fredericks middle name 'Robert' & Miriams fathers name Richard Parker Henderson, Master Mariner.
                                I've not had much time yet, but have had a quick look, not found anything yet.

                                Nicola

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                                • #17
                                  thats FAB news Nic, now we/you can get somewhere hopefully!! in tracking Miriam Henderson don't you just love it when a plan comes together!!
                                  Julie
                                  They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                                  .......I find dead people

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                                  • #18
                                    couldn't resist!!

                                    1880 USA Census: BALTIMORE, ML

                                    Richard Henderson 29 occ WATERMAN..b. PENNSYLVANIA
                                    Emely Henderson 27 b. MARYLAND
                                    Mariam Henderson 8
                                    Annie Henderson 3
                                    John Henderson 7m



                                    haven't got time now as school run, but will be back in a while!!..
                                    Julie
                                    They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                                    .......I find dead people

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                                    • #19
                                      OMG!!!! in 1900 they were still in Baltimore.. get this, she [Emily Henderson] was mother to 17 children!!! [but only 5 living at the time of 1900 cens] poor soul...

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                                      Last edited by Darksecretz; 03-06-13, 18:07.
                                      Julie
                                      They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                                      .......I find dead people

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                                      • #20
                                        I cannot pinpoint anything else at the moment, Annie b. 1879 Baltimore appears to have married a Chas. H. Baker about 1899 [as it states on the 1900 that they have been married 1yr] and they have a child 'Christian G. Baker' b. 1900.
                                        Julie
                                        They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                                        .......I find dead people

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