I have been trying for years to work out what happened so any advice would be appreciated.This is what I know so far and where i got the information from
1780 3 oct Birth of James Edward Yates , baptized 30 oct 1780 St Leonards Shoreditch parents Richard and Sally Yates
1791 5 july Records of sun fire office (insurance ) off national archives at 20 Holywell St. Shoreditch JEY a pewterer – not sure this date is right as would only be 11.
1802 18 march JEY son of Richard Yates Citizen and pewter of shoreditch made free of worshipful Company of pewterers
1802 20 March Marriage JEY to Ann Beard had 10 children by her = off IGI so married 2 days after got freedom of city.
1805 24 April Old bailey JEY pewterer partner is Richard Yates so father cos of info in 1806 trial; James Neagle transported
1805 18 sept Old bailey James Yates junior lives with father 20 shoreditch so son of JEY; Richard Hart jailed 12 months
1806 19 Feb Old bailey Richard Yates pewterer 20 shoreditch has partner son James Edward Yates Thomas Hooper jailed 6 months
1806 Partnership of Richard & JEY dissolved 20 Shoreditch off derby mercury 15 may 1806 library online archive
1807 15 sept Records of sun fire office (insurance ) off national archives at 20 Holywell St. Shoreditch JEY a pewterer
1807 2 Dec Richard Yates is clerk to his brother James Edward Yates pewter 50? Shoreditch. George Petty transported 7 years
1807 1 july Old bailey JEY pewterer 20 shoreditch Arthur Robinson jailed 6 months
1812 15 april Records of sun fire office (insurance ) off national archives at 20 Holywell St. Shoreditch JEY a pewterer
1818 9 nov Meeting of creditors at Guildhall JEY pewterer Morning post London
1818 18 dec Sale by auction of goods of JEY Morning Chronicle
1819 7 july Old bailey JEY at 20 Shoreditch; Henry Smith not guilty
1820 List of dividends under bankruptcy
1820 6 nov Meeting of creditors JE Yates shoreditch pewterer
1832 13 Dec George Yates son of James Edward Yates citizen and pewterer made free ie got Freedom of City of London This is son by first marriage.
1838 13 dec George son of JEY Freedom –off pewterers guild - no idea why two different years forsame event
1838 1 Feb Louisa dau of Richard Yates gets Freedom off pewterers guild
1840 15 Jan Marriage James Edward Yates widower plumber 5 Heneage St. Spitalfields father Richard Yates a pewterer to Mary Atley spinster no occ Union place Stepney Green father Henry Atley dissenting minister- JEY probably about 59yrs old(Mary was from Romford )
1842 Possible birth of Henry in bethnal green
1851 Henry the son aged 9 living with aunt Eliza Otley/Atley in 62 Wesley/Nesley St All Saints Newcastle Henry born Bethnal Green about 1842 so mother already dead?
1851 london census there is another James Edward Yates living with an Anne but he is a plasterer - so did JEY marry 3 times?
1858 Poss death of JEY in Honiton Devon June 1858
1860 29may Marriage St Marys Newington Mr J Ferris formerly of Truro to Harriett dau of late JEY of Homerton (thats in/near Hackney London) online newspapers library
1861 Jan Marriage of Henry at St John the Baptist Newcastle on Tyne full age, bachelor, printer, residence this parish, father John Yates an iron moulder
Jane, full age spinster, no occ, residence this parish, father Gilbert Foggin a plumber Witnesses Gilbert Foggin and John Findley (Henry's father name is out ie John should be James Edward)
1868 Birth of Jane Yates in Bradford she went onto marry William Haywood in 1888 in Edinburgh.
1871 henry/Harry and Jane living with 5 children –1871 census 6 Sloane Street Bowling Bradford
1879 19 oct Death of Henry Yates aged 37 married to Jane Foggin at 4 Dean St Edinburgh parents James Edward Yates plumber deceased and Mary Yates nee Atley deceased aged 37
So I have searched national archives, Worshipful company of Pewterers, Pewters Guild, everything i can think of on ancestry,and family search,and Scotland People.
but I cant find:-
1 James Edward Yates' death or him on 1841 census - there is one but occupation is crossed out and no wife there.
2 Mary Atley/Yates death
3 Henry/Harry Yates birth. There are a few Henry Yates registered in 1842 but I tried applying for one Bethnal Green March qtr vol 2 p26 but got letter back saying they didnt have it.
So what i really want to know is why did Henry /Harry get taken to Newcastle on Tyne by his Aunt?
Why does James Edward be known as 'John' in Henry's marriage certificate but 'James Edward' in the death certificate?
Does religion have anything to do with all this? ie Henry's mother's father was a dissenting minister and I think she named her son after her father.
any suggestions please?
1780 3 oct Birth of James Edward Yates , baptized 30 oct 1780 St Leonards Shoreditch parents Richard and Sally Yates
1791 5 july Records of sun fire office (insurance ) off national archives at 20 Holywell St. Shoreditch JEY a pewterer – not sure this date is right as would only be 11.
1802 18 march JEY son of Richard Yates Citizen and pewter of shoreditch made free of worshipful Company of pewterers
1802 20 March Marriage JEY to Ann Beard had 10 children by her = off IGI so married 2 days after got freedom of city.
1805 24 April Old bailey JEY pewterer partner is Richard Yates so father cos of info in 1806 trial; James Neagle transported
1805 18 sept Old bailey James Yates junior lives with father 20 shoreditch so son of JEY; Richard Hart jailed 12 months
1806 19 Feb Old bailey Richard Yates pewterer 20 shoreditch has partner son James Edward Yates Thomas Hooper jailed 6 months
1806 Partnership of Richard & JEY dissolved 20 Shoreditch off derby mercury 15 may 1806 library online archive
1807 15 sept Records of sun fire office (insurance ) off national archives at 20 Holywell St. Shoreditch JEY a pewterer
1807 2 Dec Richard Yates is clerk to his brother James Edward Yates pewter 50? Shoreditch. George Petty transported 7 years
1807 1 july Old bailey JEY pewterer 20 shoreditch Arthur Robinson jailed 6 months
1812 15 april Records of sun fire office (insurance ) off national archives at 20 Holywell St. Shoreditch JEY a pewterer
1818 9 nov Meeting of creditors at Guildhall JEY pewterer Morning post London
1818 18 dec Sale by auction of goods of JEY Morning Chronicle
1819 7 july Old bailey JEY at 20 Shoreditch; Henry Smith not guilty
1820 List of dividends under bankruptcy
1820 6 nov Meeting of creditors JE Yates shoreditch pewterer
1832 13 Dec George Yates son of James Edward Yates citizen and pewterer made free ie got Freedom of City of London This is son by first marriage.
1838 13 dec George son of JEY Freedom –off pewterers guild - no idea why two different years forsame event
1838 1 Feb Louisa dau of Richard Yates gets Freedom off pewterers guild
1840 15 Jan Marriage James Edward Yates widower plumber 5 Heneage St. Spitalfields father Richard Yates a pewterer to Mary Atley spinster no occ Union place Stepney Green father Henry Atley dissenting minister- JEY probably about 59yrs old(Mary was from Romford )
1842 Possible birth of Henry in bethnal green
1851 Henry the son aged 9 living with aunt Eliza Otley/Atley in 62 Wesley/Nesley St All Saints Newcastle Henry born Bethnal Green about 1842 so mother already dead?
1851 london census there is another James Edward Yates living with an Anne but he is a plasterer - so did JEY marry 3 times?
1858 Poss death of JEY in Honiton Devon June 1858
1860 29may Marriage St Marys Newington Mr J Ferris formerly of Truro to Harriett dau of late JEY of Homerton (thats in/near Hackney London) online newspapers library
1861 Jan Marriage of Henry at St John the Baptist Newcastle on Tyne full age, bachelor, printer, residence this parish, father John Yates an iron moulder
Jane, full age spinster, no occ, residence this parish, father Gilbert Foggin a plumber Witnesses Gilbert Foggin and John Findley (Henry's father name is out ie John should be James Edward)
1868 Birth of Jane Yates in Bradford she went onto marry William Haywood in 1888 in Edinburgh.
1871 henry/Harry and Jane living with 5 children –1871 census 6 Sloane Street Bowling Bradford
1879 19 oct Death of Henry Yates aged 37 married to Jane Foggin at 4 Dean St Edinburgh parents James Edward Yates plumber deceased and Mary Yates nee Atley deceased aged 37
So I have searched national archives, Worshipful company of Pewterers, Pewters Guild, everything i can think of on ancestry,and family search,and Scotland People.
but I cant find:-
1 James Edward Yates' death or him on 1841 census - there is one but occupation is crossed out and no wife there.
2 Mary Atley/Yates death
3 Henry/Harry Yates birth. There are a few Henry Yates registered in 1842 but I tried applying for one Bethnal Green March qtr vol 2 p26 but got letter back saying they didnt have it.
So what i really want to know is why did Henry /Harry get taken to Newcastle on Tyne by his Aunt?
Why does James Edward be known as 'John' in Henry's marriage certificate but 'James Edward' in the death certificate?
Does religion have anything to do with all this? ie Henry's mother's father was a dissenting minister and I think she named her son after her father.
any suggestions please?
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