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  • who is Nellie D Grady

    Hi All

    Can anyone find her other than in the 1911 census.

    ARTESS, Ellen Head Married F 42 1869 Cappoquin Co Wateford
    GRADY, Nellie D Daughter Single F 14 1897 Domestic Servant General Preston Lancs Ireland
    ARTESS, Thomas Son M 11 1900 School Rogerstone Mon
    ARTESS, Carline Mary Daughter F 10 1901 School Rogerstone Mon
    ARTESS, Carline Marygwendoline Daughter F 8 1903 School Rogerstone Mon
    ARTESS, John A Son M 6 1905 School Machen Mon
    ARTESS, Gertie Daughter F 4 1907 Machen Mon

    RG number: RG14
    Piece: 32011
    Reference: RG14PN32011 RG78PN1841 RD587 SD3 ED12 SN152
    Mike in Droitwich

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  • #2
    I presume this is the mother in 1901



    RG13, piece 4963, folio 132, page 22

    The eldest child there is Ellen Artess aged 4 b Preston who is probably the same as Nellie in 1911. The 1911 says that Ellen (the mother) had been married 12 years and Nellie is 14 so I would think she was born before the marriage. Had Ellen been married before?

    I also wonder whether the 1911 says Nellie O Grady. There are births for both Ellen O'Grady and Ellen Grady on Lancs BMD so it could be either
    Jackie

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    • #3
      I think the 1911 census may be Nellie O Grady - rather than Nellie D Grady.
      The "O" is very different to the "D" of daughter.
      Elaine







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      • #4
        I suspect though that the marriage may have been William Artess to Ellen Jones June 1898 Newport Monmouthshire.
        Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Chrissie Smiff View Post
          I suspect though that the marriage may have been William Artess to Ellen Jones June 1898 Newport Monmouthshire.
          So why is the wife called Jones and the daughter O'Grady ?
          Mike in Droitwich

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Elaine ..Spain View Post
            I think the 1911 census may be Nellie O Grady - rather than Nellie D Grady.
            The "O" is very different to the "D" of daughter.
            Yes I agree and that agrees with the Ellen O'Grady born Q4 1896 Preston
            Last edited by Mike Fisher; 12-05-13, 23:04.
            Mike in Droitwich

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            • #7
              Maybe because Nellie Ogrady was from another marriage or relationship in Ireland as well as Scotland back then they had a Hands Fast Marriage very similar to Defacto today and the chidren of that marriage take the father:s surname. I know that Wiliam was married before and had off hand I think 7 children and he was a widow so Ellan could also be a widow, just a thought hope it does not confuse the situation,Lizzy

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              • #8
                Originally posted by liz hutchison View Post
                Maybe because Nellie Ogrady was from another marriage or relationship in Ireland as well as Scotland back then they had a Hands Fast Marriage very similar to Defacto today and the chidren of that marriage take the father:s surname. I know that Wiliam was married before and had off hand I think 7 children and he was a widow so Ellan could also be a widow, just a thought hope it does not confuse the situation,Lizzy
                Hi

                So Ellen has a child with the surname O'Grady in Q4 1896 in Preston then marries someone called Jones who dies and she marries William Artess in Q2 1898 (I don't want to buy the birth or marriage certificates involved)
                Mike in Droitwich

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                • #9
                  don't see how you'll know for sure if you don't.
                  Jess

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                  • #10
                    Hi
                    On LancsBMD for Ellen born 1896 mmn is given as O'Grady.
                    Moggie

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                    • #11
                      going to throw this one to anyone who understands this for Mick, in the 1911 Census it says Preston, Lanchashire, then Ireland isshe saaying that she lives in Preston and born in Ireland, and on reading the 1911 Census I am sure its Nellie Ogrady, but then I coud be wrong.Lizzy

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jessbowbag View Post
                        don't see how you'll know for sure if you don't.
                        But what happened to her after the 1911 census , is she Nellie O'Grady or Ellen Art?ss ?
                        Mike in Droitwich

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                        • #13
                          There's a Nellie Artess est birth year 1896 died A/M/J 1981 Newport, Gwent.
                          Moggie

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                          • #14
                            This is them in 1901 if it's any help -

                            Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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                            • #15
                              If you are interested and searching for the Artess/Artiss family it's worth trying both spellings. William's birth and first marriage appears to have been under Artiss. Also the birth of the first two children. Then he appears to be Artess on his second marriage, death and the other children's births.
                              Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by maudarby View Post
                                There's a Nellie Artess est birth year 1896 died A/M/J 1981 Newport, Gwent.
                                Moggie
                                Now that sounds more like it, if I'm still here I will have to see what the 1921 census says!!!!!!

                                Thanks everyone for your efforts
                                Mike in Droitwich

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                                • #17
                                  As Elizabeth (the first wife) died that year I imagine she possibly died in childbirth.
                                  Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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