Irish Cert help please

[Guest]

Patrick Keegan Death.jpgUnder Patrick Keegans name it says Dublin does that mean where he was born ? as the Death is registered in Cork.
I am positive its the right man but in 1901 and 1911 he says born in City of Cork not Dublin?
Thanks

[liz hutchison]

Is that 1919 or 1929 hard to read, and am I seeing right it has a cross of a tick near Dublin in Surname coluom, Lizzy

[Guest]

Hi Liz its 1929 and yes the Dublin has a cross next to it

[Janet in Yorkshire]

Is Dublin a continuation of the address? Sorry, Val, it's a bit too small for me to read properly. Is place of death Little Sisters of the Poor, can't read the next word - is it county?

[Guest]

Hi Janet thanks for looking ,I am not sure if the place he died is in Cork or Dublin but the death is registered in Cork,

[Elwyn]

It means that Dublin was his normal place of residence at the time of his death. It does not mean he was born there.

[Guest]

oh thanks Elwyn, I dont really understand why was it registered in Cork then ?

[Shirley silver surfer]

A death must be registered in the place it occurred. I would suggest thhat he died in Cork, even though he normally lived in Dublin. It was probably not known where he was born. only that he had recently lived in Dublin

[Elwyn]

As Shirley says it was evidently where he died. I have never seen an Irish death certificate which records where someone was born. That is not information required on a death cert. However where a person dies somewhere other than their normal residential address, it is standard practice in Ireland to record their home address as well as the place of death. That's what appears to have happened here.

[Guest]

thanks for your replies ,I didn't expect to see his place of birth just thought it meant he was living in Dublin when he died, so was puzzled about it being registered in Cork, but think I understand now thanks.

[liz hutchison]

Can you tell me anything else about him like who he was married to and when he was born. Little Sister of the Poor are Carmalite Nuns who look after the sick and ailing and are still in Dublin today.
So it looks like he died in Dublin at the Hospital but his death was registered in Cork which is the way they do it in Ireland have been doing a lot of research on deaths in Ireland, also Cork has many areas do you know what area he was from so I can go on a hunt for you, Lizzy

[Guest]

thats very nice of you to offer Liz I have not found his Birth details all I know is from his marriage, and the 1901 and 1911 census.

1890 Marriage in St Finbarrs he is an Engineer

1895 Marriage of Daughter he is an Engine Driver

1901 Census he is is an Enginer in a Brewery

1911 Census he is a Railway Engine Driver

1908 Death of Son he is a Fireman

1929 Death he is an Engineer


thanks very much
up to his death he was in No 7 Urban Cork

[WendyPusey]

Have you looked on here for his baptism? Several Patrick Keegans

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/

[Janet]

Engine Drivers in Cork often lived in specific areas as they were the elite of working people at the time you are talking about. I have several Cork Engine Drivers at this time and all of mine are living either Kilbarry Cottages Dublin Hill Cork or Lower Road Cork. Glanmire Road is another area for Engine Drivers and of course many of these Cork Engine Drivers went to work and live in Dublin, as did mine, and then they were back and forwards Dublin to Cork, living in the same areas. I do not know all the Cork areas for Engine Drivers but the three I have mentioned are certainly three of the main ones in Cork as I have met many other Engine Driver families coming from these same areas. If you can meet up with someone who knows your family, then you will find the same sort of familiarity. Phibsborough in Dublin was also Engine Driver country as I have found a number of railway families there, including my own.

Janet

[liz hutchison]

Is this your Patrick Keegan.
South Main Street,No.7 Urban, Cork.
1901 Census.
Patrick Keegan age 44
Mary Keegan age 34
Children.
Mary Kate Keegan age 10
Michael age 8
Josephine age 6
Willie age 2
Also according to Vital Records he was born abt 1857 in City of Cork, Lizzy

[liz hutchison]

Just had a look at the 1911 Census accoding to that Patrick was born in Dublin the rest of his family were born in Cork, so on his D/C is says Dublin and Registered in Cork so that could now be the answer to way Dublin is on it, Lizzy

[liz hutchison]

Gee! that just did my head in according to the 1901 Census he is born in the City of Cork, I will keep looking, sorry, Lizzy

[Guest]

Sorry had to go out thanks for looking,yes thats him Liz, and thanks Janet he lived in Great Georges Street and South Main Street in Cork for a while.
I would love to find just one member of the family that knows a bit about his Daughter, but her two Brothers died when young and cannot find what happened to her Sister.
Thanks Wendy I did find his two Sons on there but not his two Daughters.

[Karamazov]

So it looks like he died in Dublin at the Hospital but his death was registered in Cork which is the way they do it in Ireland have been doing a lot of research on deaths in Ireland.

Lizzy,
This hasn't been my experience with Irish death certs. My grandfather, for example, lived most of his life in Co Donegal, but towards the end of his life, was receiving hospital treatment in Dublin where he died and where his death was registered. I asked a member of staff at GRO Dublin when I got his death cert, if such deaths were registered in the "home" district or the district where death occurred, and for what it's worth, he was categorical that a death is recorded in the district where it occurred.
Christine

[Guest]

so are you saying Karamazov he must have died in Cork as its registered there?