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    Can anyone translate this for me?



    The marriage for Pierre Ouellett to Georgiana


    Thanks


    Linda
    Last edited by Loopy Linda in La La Land; 20-04-13, 14:16.

  • #2
    As far as I can see the date is 31 July 1900. Groom's occupation 'cultivateur' probably gardener, his father Pierre occupation 'journalier' don't know what that might be, mother Marie Bois.
    Bride's father Ferdinand occupation cultivateur, mother Marceline Bois.

    Hopefully someone else will come along with a full translation.

    Margaret
    Last edited by margaretmarch; 20-04-13, 14:57.

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    • #3
      I think a journalier was a journeyman - "paid by the day"
      Janet in Yorkshire



      Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Janet in Yorkshire View Post
        I think a journalier was a journeyman - "paid by the day"
        Well a literal translation was 'everyday' but there was no qualifying occupation eg carpenter etc. so I wasn't sure.

        Margaret

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        • #5
          le trente et une juillet mil neuf cent, vu la publication de seux? banns de marriage fait an prone de nos menes? paroissiales et vu la siseme? du troiseme ban allor? dee par sa pandeur? monsigneur 'andre albert polais' evigne de st germain de rimonski? date du vingt trois du present mois,
          the 31st jul 1900. the publication of the banns for marriage in the parish? on the 16th (i think) and 30th. mr andre albert polais of st gemain. 23 months present.

          entre 'pierre ouellet' , cultivateur de cette paroisse, fils majeur de 'pierre ouellet' journalier, et de marie bois de la riviene? du loup d'une part et
          pierre oullet, cultivator of this parish. major son of pierre ouellet, journalier-everyday labourer/journeyman and of marie bois.

          'georgiana ouellet' amsi? de cette paroisse, fille de majeuse de 'ferdinand ouellet' cultivateur et de femme 'marceline bois' de cette paroisse d'antre part.
          georgiana ouellet of this parish, major daughter of ferdinand ouellet cultivator and of marceline bois of this parish.

          ne s'etant secouvert? anem e un pee?hement, nous sousigne, vicaire de cette paroisse, avons veu leu? mutuel? consentement de mariage et lun avour donne la benediction nuptiale en priseneede? 'aniela? caron' cultivateur et de 'ferdinand ouellet' pere de l'espouse qui ont signe avec nous ceux qui ont sir le parie? lecture? fait.
          'anile? caron'
          something about the vicar of the parish, and mutual consent to the marriage. aniela or anile caron is a wittness, and cultivator alongside ferdinand ouelete, father of the bride.

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          • #6
            Wow. Thanks so much

            Linda

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            • #7
              fils majeur will mean "son of full age" in this context,similarly fille de majeuse will be "daughter of full age". It will depend on the Quebec law whether 18 or 21 of course.
              Caroline
              Caroline's Family History Pages
              Meddle not in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.

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              • #8
                Le trente et une juillet mil neuf cent, vu
                la publication de deux bans de marriage
                fait au prone de nos messes paroissiales,
                et vu la dispense du troiseme ban, #eeor-
                dée par sa Grandeur Monseigneur André
                Albert Blais Éveque de St Germain de Ri-
                mouski en date du vingt trois du présent
                mois,
                The 31st Jul 1900, saw
                the publication of two banns of marriage
                made at the [prône] of our parish mass,
                and saw the exemption of the third ban [#éordée]
                by his Grace Monseigneur André
                Albert Blais the Bishop of St Germain de Ri-
                mouski? on the 23rd of the present month.
                My Larousse says that "prôner" is a verb, meaning "to advocate", so I'd guess that it's simply a specialist word in context where we'd use "published" for banns: it could well be a specific construction "faire au prône".
                [#éordée] - in the context it looks as if this is a word to do with ordering something to happen, or giving permission.
                The Bishop's name appears here: http://archive.org/details/cihm_62233 (that's how I spotted the "Blais" bit - it looks more like "Polais"! Indeed, here's a Wikipedia article with a photo: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9-Albert_Blais

                I'll have a look at the next bit... It does help having a start already made by someone.

                Christine
                Researching: BENNETT (Leics/Birmingham-ish) - incl. Leonard BENNETT in Detroit & Florida ; WARR/WOR, STRATFORD & GARDNER/GARNAR (Oxon); CHRISTMAS, RUSSELL, PAFOOT/PAFFORD (Hants); BIGWOOD, HAYLER/HAILOR (Sussex); LANCASTER (Beds, Berks, Wilts) - plus - COCKS (Spitalfields, Liverpool, Plymouth); RUSE/ROWSE, TREMEER, WADLIN(G)/WADLETON (Devonport, E Cornwall); GOULD (S Devon); CHAPMAN, HALL/HOLE, HORN (N Devon); BARRON, SCANTLEBURY (Mevagissey)...

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                • #9
                  entre Pierre Ouellet , cultivateur de
                  cette paroisse, fils majeur de Pierre Ouellet
                  journalier, et de Marie Bois, de la Rivière
                  du Loup, d'une part; et Georgiana Ouellet
                  aussi de cette paroisse, fille de majeure de
                  Ferdinand Ouellet, cultivateur, et de [femme]
                  Marceline Bois, de cette paroisse d'autre part.
                  between Pierre Ouellet, cultivator of
                  this parish, [major] son of Pierre Ouellet,
                  [journalier-everyday labourer/journeyman], and of Marie Bois, of Rivière-
                  du-Loup, on one part; and Georgiana Ouellet of this parish, [major] daughter of
                  Ferdinand Ouellet, cultivator, and of [femme]
                  Marceline Bois, of this parish on the other part.
                  Could "majeur(e)" simply mean "elder" son/daughter, in this context?
                  I have put "femme" into square brackets because, although it would make sense for it to mean "his wife", it doesn't actually look like "mm" in the middle of the word! On the other hand, I can't work out what it would be instead.
                  Rivière-du-Loup is a town in Quebec: http://www.ville.riviere-du-loup.qc.ca/index.php?pa=310
                  Is that name "Ouellet" or "Quellet"? ... Answered my own question - it's Ouellet.

                  Do you think that they actually mean "diarist" for "journalier"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Ouellet ... Ah, no: He was born mid-C20th.

                  Christine
                  Last edited by Christine in Herts; 21-04-13, 19:34.
                  Researching: BENNETT (Leics/Birmingham-ish) - incl. Leonard BENNETT in Detroit & Florida ; WARR/WOR, STRATFORD & GARDNER/GARNAR (Oxon); CHRISTMAS, RUSSELL, PAFOOT/PAFFORD (Hants); BIGWOOD, HAYLER/HAILOR (Sussex); LANCASTER (Beds, Berks, Wilts) - plus - COCKS (Spitalfields, Liverpool, Plymouth); RUSE/ROWSE, TREMEER, WADLIN(G)/WADLETON (Devonport, E Cornwall); GOULD (S Devon); CHAPMAN, HALL/HOLE, HORN (N Devon); BARRON, SCANTLEBURY (Mevagissey)...

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                  • #10
                    ne s'étant découvert aucun em-
                    pêchement, nous soussigné, vicaire de
                    cette paroisse, avons reçu leur mutuel
                    consentement de mariage et leur avons
                    donné la bénédiction nuptiale en présence de
                    Aurèle Caron, cultivateur, et de Ferdinand
                    Ouellet, père de l'épouse, qui ont signé avec
                    nous, ceux qui ont su le faire. Lecture
                    faite.
                    no impediment having been discovered,
                    we, the undersigned, curate of
                    this parish, have received the mutual
                    consent to marriage and
                    have given them the marriage blessing in the presence of
                    Aurèle Caron, cultivator, and of Ferdinand
                    Ouellet, father of the bride, who have signed with
                    us, those who knew how to do it {?}. The reading
                    was made.
                    The French use vicar/curate the other way around from us - i.e. Curé = Vicar/Rector, and Vicaire = Curate.
                    I suspect that the last phrases are technical for the context - the same thing appears at the end of other similar records.
                    "Faite" is often used to indicate "completion" or "fulfilment", I believe: a fact - which is why we use "fait accompli" for something that is 'done and dusted'.

                    This won't be perfect: my French is quite good as a tourist, but it's not academic.

                    Christine
                    Last edited by Christine in Herts; 21-04-13, 19:53.
                    Researching: BENNETT (Leics/Birmingham-ish) - incl. Leonard BENNETT in Detroit & Florida ; WARR/WOR, STRATFORD & GARDNER/GARNAR (Oxon); CHRISTMAS, RUSSELL, PAFOOT/PAFFORD (Hants); BIGWOOD, HAYLER/HAILOR (Sussex); LANCASTER (Beds, Berks, Wilts) - plus - COCKS (Spitalfields, Liverpool, Plymouth); RUSE/ROWSE, TREMEER, WADLIN(G)/WADLETON (Devonport, E Cornwall); GOULD (S Devon); CHAPMAN, HALL/HOLE, HORN (N Devon); BARRON, SCANTLEBURY (Mevagissey)...

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                    • #11
                      thank you for fixing it up christine. i have experience trying to read old french documents, but i knew i wouldn't get all the words!

                      hope this helped linda!

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                      • #12
                        Thanks so much for all your help.

                        I am sure when I sort it all out it will help a lot.

                        Linda

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by kylejustin View Post
                          thank you for fixing it up christine. i have experience trying to read old french documents, but i knew i wouldn't get all the words!

                          hope this helped linda!
                          No guarantee I'd have got so far without you having made the start!

                          Christine
                          Researching: BENNETT (Leics/Birmingham-ish) - incl. Leonard BENNETT in Detroit & Florida ; WARR/WOR, STRATFORD & GARDNER/GARNAR (Oxon); CHRISTMAS, RUSSELL, PAFOOT/PAFFORD (Hants); BIGWOOD, HAYLER/HAILOR (Sussex); LANCASTER (Beds, Berks, Wilts) - plus - COCKS (Spitalfields, Liverpool, Plymouth); RUSE/ROWSE, TREMEER, WADLIN(G)/WADLETON (Devonport, E Cornwall); GOULD (S Devon); CHAPMAN, HALL/HOLE, HORN (N Devon); BARRON, SCANTLEBURY (Mevagissey)...

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                          • #14
                            team work ;)

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                            • #15
                              That's why I love this site

                              Lindax

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                              • #16
                                A journalier in standard French is an ag lab who hires himself out by the day, but apparently in Quebec it can also mean a factory worker, also paid by the day.

                                Last edited by Mary from Italy; 22-04-13, 20:51.

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                                • #17
                                  Thanks Mary


                                  Linda

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                                  • #18
                                    Hi Linda,

                                    I am a new subscriber to Family Tree and your thread is the occasion for me to read a record from Québec.

                                    As a French man, I must say Christine has done a very good translation. I will only bring few details.

                                    I first read QUELLET as "QU" is a very common construction in French, and both names exist. But the same priest writes "Ovide" with same "O" on previous records page. OUELLET seems to come from Nièvre part of France (n°58) and could mean "ewe".
                                    "... accordée par Sa Grandeur ..." : given/granted by.
                                    "... André Albert BLAIS ..." : not POLAIS, see very readable writing on previous page.
                                    "... et de feue Marceline Bois ..." : late/deceased. "Feu" without e for a man. In older records, you can find "défunt/e", "deffunt/e" or "défunct/e", but more for ladies.
                                    I never found "Lecture faite" in French records. What I understand is "after I, priest, have read it for them". The ones who signed sometimes can't write or read. "Ptre" avec priest's signature is short for "Prêtre" (priest).

                                    About their occupation, "journalier" is the lowest in rural society, the one who got nothing and hires himself here and there (it is true the word comes from "jour/journée", day). You can sometimes find "brassier", the one who hires his arms (bras = arm). "Cultivateur" means that they own some land.

                                    I hope this helps.

                                    Pascal

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                                    • #19
                                      Hi Pascal,

                                      Welcome to FTF. Thanks very much for your help. I'm sure you will be invaluable to people needing translations. Although, as you say, the ladies have done a great job in helping me.

                                      Thanks once again

                                      Linda
                                      Last edited by Loopy Linda in La La Land; 21-06-13, 09:23.

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                                      • #20
                                        As today is a cold and rainy day, I stay home and I found a OUELLET tree on www.geneanet.org (French website with possible English interface). That "cousin" goes up to 1601 on Pierre & Georgiana's line.

                                        Maybe it is interesting to you.

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