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Val wish Id never started
18-04-13, 17:40
am looking for the Father of a James Smith born abt 1875 St Giles ,here he is in 1891 with his Mother Charlotte E Smith born abt 1851 in Marylebone and two sisters

she descibes herself as a widow on both


http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1891&h=9143223&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t6737403_p6970817340_kpidz0q3d6970817340z0 q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid

and in 1881

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&h=13679417&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t6737403_p6970817340_kpidz0q3d6970817340z0 q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid

any help appreciated thanks

Janet in Yorkshire
18-04-13, 17:54
Have you considered this one? - bride's father was a bootmaker. http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=1623&iid=31280_198885-00092&fn=Peter+James&ln=Smith&st=d&ssrc=&pid=4097280

Val wish Id never started
18-04-13, 18:06
thanks Janet thats interesting ,Only thing is she says Charlotte E in 1891 and 1901 that says Charlotte Sarah ?
will see if I can find his death, blimey a Smeath marrying a Smith :rotfl:thanks

Val wish Id never started
18-04-13, 18:08
just found her birth in 1850 Staines ?? so not her thanks again

Val wish Id never started
18-04-13, 18:57
starting to wonder if she ever did marry?

susan h
18-04-13, 19:44
James' sister Sarah married Stephen William Lawler, St Giles in the Field, 17 Jul 1898. On the marriage cert her father is named as James Smith.

Val wish Id never started
18-04-13, 20:12
oh thanks so much Susan I have been looking at marriages but not found that

susan h
18-04-13, 20:53
In 1891 Charlotte has some Brooks children with her listed as nephew/nieces, they are also with Charlotte and her dau Sarah (now married to Stephen Lawler) in 1901.

A possible marriage .............. Sept 1870 Strand, 1b/857, Charlotte Elizabeth Brooks and also indexed a James Smith

Val wish Id never started
18-04-13, 21:13
thanks again just found that marriage she wasn't married for long ? really appreciate your help its solved a few queries.

Chrissie Smiff
18-04-13, 21:49
I had been busy cross checking marriages for James Smith to a Charlotte with likely births for those Charlottes between 1849 and 1851. However, the only one that seems to fit if this is the right marriage is Charlotte Elizabeth Brooks Dec 1848 Marylebone.

Val wish Id never started
18-04-13, 21:53
thats nice of you Chrissie thanks I am coming to the same conclusion,have been trying to find them in 1871 ? but not having any luck its awkward when you dont know when and where he was born,and he must have died between abt 1876 and 1881 .

Chrissie Smiff
18-04-13, 21:58
When I tried to bring up the deaths, with it being Smith it would give them to me unless I chose a specific place of one querter:D
In 1871, the only one I found that seemed to fit at all was a gas fitter or something and on the marriage of the daughter he was to do with boots, like Charlotte was.

susan h
18-04-13, 22:16
The gas fitter (1871) is here in 1881. http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&gsfn=charlotte&gsln=smith&gsco=&s0RealGL=UKICen&f1=london+middlesex&f2=&f5=&f18=&rg_81004011__date=1849&rs_81004011__date=1&f14=&f15=&_8000C002=&_80008002=&_80018002=james&f7=&f8=&f9=&gskw=&prox=1&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-c&pcat=UKICEN&h=13254238&db=uki1881&indiv=1

Val wish Id never started
18-04-13, 22:35
I think I am going slowly mad?? I have Charlotte in 1881 saying widow ? I am sure its her she is a Boot Machinist and has Son James and Daughter Charlotte with her, in 1891 says widow Boot machinist and James is a Cutler which it also says on his marriage.
Am I confusing two families ??????????:baffled5wh::conf:

susan h
18-04-13, 22:51
I think I am going slowly mad?? I have Charlotte in 1881 saying widow ? I am sure its her she is a Boot Machinist and has Son James and Daughter Charlotte with her, in 1891 says widow Boot machinist and James is a Cutler which it also says on his marriage.
Am I confusing two families ??????????:baffled5wh::conf:

Sorry Val, I think I confused you as I posted a link to ANOTHER James and Charlotte, this was in response to #12 where Chrissie mentioned a Gas Fitter.

Calm down hun, you have the right family, and here's Charlotte's (dau) marriage.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=1623&iid=31280_197413-00123&fn=Charlotte+Elizabeth&ln=Smith&st=r&ssrc=&pid=6645918

susan h
18-04-13, 23:23
Val, have you found Charlotte's dau Sarah in 1881?

Val wish Id never started
18-04-13, 23:38
oh phew thank goodness Susan ,Thanks for helping , no hadn't got that marriage either or Sarah in 1881 been trying to find James the Fathers Death or them in 1871.

Val wish Id never started
18-04-13, 23:39
what is that occupation for James a Boot ??? Closer can you read it ?

susan h
18-04-13, 23:43
Yes, he's a Boot Closer

Val wish Id never started
18-04-13, 23:53
ah thanks maybe I can find him by occupation now

Val wish Id never started
19-04-13, 13:30
That Marriage you found for her poor Daughter Charlotte didn't last long, she married 3 Sep 1898 and have found her Death in the March Quarter of 1899, wonder if it was a pregnancy?

susan h
19-04-13, 13:57
Val, Alfred Edward Storer is here in 1891 living same street as given on his marriage cert.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=6598&iid=LNDRG12_215_217-0400&fn=Alfred+E&ln=Stores&st=r&ssrc=&pid=9186589

In 1901 he's living with his mother and enumerated as SINGLE, but that could just be an error.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7814&iid=LNDRG13_241_243-0479&fn=Alfred+Edw&ln=Storer&st=r&ssrc=&pid=15707870

susan h
19-04-13, 14:00
A second marriage for Alfred Edward Storer??????????????............................

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=1623&iid=31280_198050-00243&fn=Alfred+Edward&ln=Storer&st=r&ssrc=&pid=3488776

susan h
19-04-13, 14:17
1911, Alfred's not at home.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2352/rg14_02177_0047_03/3542117?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d1%26gsfn%3dellen%2bjulia%26 gsln%3dstorer%26gsby%3d1876%26gsb2co%3d3251%252cEn gland%26gsb2pl%3d1%252cAll%2bCounties%26gsd2co%3d1 %252cAll%2bCountries%26gsd2pl%3d1%26sbo%3d1%26ufr% 3d0%26wp%3d4%253b_80000002%253b_80000003%26srchb%3 dr%26prox%3d1%26ti%3d5538%26ti.si%3d0%26gss%3dangs-b%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26h%3d3542117%26db%3d1911 England%26indiv%3d1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord

Val wish Id never started
19-04-13, 15:59
thanks again Susan did find that marriage a little while ago wonder where he was in 1911 ? found his death and his second wifes