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  • Frankly fed up!

    I’m going round in ever decreasing circles searching for Frank Stoneman – I’ve found the following records:
    Birth – 1869 Portsea;
    Censuses – 1871 Lambeth; 1881 Clee w Weelsby; 1891 Wheatley, Yorkshire; 1911 – Uttoxeter
    Marriage – 1890 Caistor (to Emily Allmand Smith b 1870)
    The 1911 Census indicates a marriage to Sarah Ellen Lunn (b1879) in c1905, but I can’t find it. Neither can I find a prior death of his first wife Emily. I can’t find him in 1901 to see whether Emily was still alive then. I have found a marriage in 1900 to Mary Slater – it gives the right age and the right name for his father who’s not identified as deceased (Frank born in Exeter c 1844 – can’t find his birth and he becomes similarly elusive after 1881 though his wife Annie seems to have remarried in 1888) ) and the same job – carter – as given in 1911 (previously employed by railways/ Grimsby Docks).

    So – what happened to Emily? Where is he in 1901 – was Emily still his wife or was it Mary? Did he marry Sarah? What happened to him/her after 1911?

    I’m probably missing the obvious, but I’ve tried varied spellings/dates to no avail – apart from terminal frustration. Any advice – including ‘Give up’ would be welcome!

  • #2
    Hi in the 1911 Census he and his wife Sarah Ellenvisting her parents at 32 Bridge Road,Uttoxeter, he married Sarah Ellen Lunn abt 1905.Lizzy

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    • #3
      Thanks Lizzy - unfortunately that's the only indication there is of a marriage - nothing on the register index/Family Search and I can't find hide nor hair of them after 1911. I just wonder whether Frank was as frank as he should have been! Julite

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      • #4
        sounds to me like a case of Bigamy... try splitting it down, look 'just' for Emily in the census, could she be with her family mother/father/siblings?? and listing herself as single? did she remarry?
        Julie
        They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

        .......I find dead people

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        • #5
          I can tell you that in 1922 he emigrated to New York State, he is in Niagra falls for the 1930 US census! and he is single working as an attendant in a gas works!

          Name: Frank Stoneman
          Gender: Male
          Birth Year: abt 1871
          Birthplace: England
          Race: White
          Home in 1930: Niagara Falls, Niagara, New York

          Julie
          They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

          .......I find dead people

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          • #6
            from Ancestrys Railway records

            Name: Frank Stoneman
            Age: 25
            Birth Date: abt 1869
            Residence Date: 25 Sep 1894
            Company: Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire
            Class Number: 463
            Piece: 243
            Description: Staff register: 4841 - 5342 No. 10 1892 - 1896

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            Julie
            They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

            .......I find dead people

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            • #7
              Thanks DS - bigamy had crossed my mind - but how do I find out the fate of Emily, possibly Mary and more importantly for me, Sarah. I saw the US record but couldn't find the frankly annoying Frank on any passenger list. I have found a Sarah Ellen Stoneman's marriage in 1914, with an alias of Sarah Ellen Holbrook - now awaiting GRO to dash that avenue!

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              • #8
                hmmmn I have just been looking again and I have found a Frank Stoneman in CANADA in 1911 [all the dates tally up, UK 1911 cens taken in april, Canadian one taken in JUNE] so he could have gone from UK just after the UK census to be in Canada for their census.

                the image is not very good but shows an immigration yr of 1911!.



                Name: Frank Stoneman
                Gender: Male
                Marital Status: Married
                Age: 40
                Birth Date: Jun 1870
                Birthplace: England
                Relation to Head of House: Laborer
                Julie
                They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                .......I find dead people

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                • #9
                  Unless you can find proof that he did marry Sarah whilst Emily (or any other former wife) was still alive, then he may have been a philanderer but he wasn't a bigamist. Bigamy (marrying a third party whilst already having a living spouse) was a crime; living as man and wife, filling in forms as man and wife and calling yourself Mrs xxxxxx wasn't against the law and wasn't bigamy.
                  Last edited by Janet in Yorkshire; 16-04-13, 14:28.
                  Janet in Yorkshire



                  Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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                  • #10
                    ooher!

                    Name: Emily A E Stoneman
                    Age: 29
                    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
                    Relationship: Sister-in-law
                    Gender: Female
                    Where born: England
                    Registration number: 453
                    Registration district: St Andrews and St Leonards
                    Civil parish: St Andrews and St Leonards
                    Town: St Andrews
                    County: Fife
                    Address: Kinnellar

                    1901 SCOTLAND CENSUS http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...otland&indiv=1


                    nope forget that!! she is also in same place for 1891 rats!
                    Julie
                    They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                    .......I find dead people

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                    • #11
                      this looks possible!

                      Name: Emily Stoneman
                      Spouse Surname: Guy
                      Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1916
                      Registration district: Grimsby
                      Inferred County: Lincolnshire
                      Volume Number: 7a
                      Page Number: 1594

                      Julie
                      They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                      .......I find dead people

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                      • #12
                        I wonder is this Frank in 1901? He's with wife Mary but enumerated as Frank Stevenson, Stevenson could be an enumerators error, or maybe the census form filled out was bad writing and the enumerator thought it said Stevenson. I cannot find a Frank Stevenson born circa 1869 Portsea Hampshire on any other census. Frank Stoneman and Mary Slater married in Wavertree Liverpool and Frank's occupation was a Carter, Frank Stevenson is living in Wavertree Liverpool and he's a Carter, also Mary's age matches with her age at marriage. Maybe it's coincidence but if so where was Frank Stevenson before 1901?

                        Last edited by Guest; 17-04-13, 00:34.

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                        • #13
                          Gosh Julite, nothing's straightforward with these people is it? Who is Mary Stoneman entered as mother on the 1891 census, is she Emily's mother who has been listed with an incorrect surname? Have you found Emily on census returns before her marriage? Have you found her birth, I think she was possibly born Emily Allmond!!!

                          It's certainly a tangled web, you must feel frustrated by them all. I'll keep looking for clues.

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                          • #14
                            Many thanks Susan. I had found a Mary Stoneham in Liverpool - right age, but widowed, but couldn't find a death 1900-01 for Frank, so I think the one you found is probably him, but I wonder what had happened to Emily. I've done a trawl of people with birth registration - forenames including Allmand and found a Henry Allmand Smith born just a few years after Emily, but can't find him or Emily in 1881. Frank's father, Frank (why couldn't they have chosen more exotic names?!) is another niggle - can't find his birth or death and his wife - Annie Dent seems to get younger as time goes by, as well as remarrying in 1888, when Fran senior appears on the marriage details of Frank junior in 1900. The Stonemans/men aren't really my focus - I'm just very curious - well nosey! My actual target is his possible wife 3 (according to the 1911 census) Sarah Ellen Lunn.

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